Chuck Berry Did NOT Invent Rock & Roll

I have a 1928 tune by Delta legend Ishman Bracey wher he says....rock church rock.

Jackie Brenson's Rocket 88 probably the first ..rock and roll....tune.

Missisippi Delta legend Charley Paton has a tune... Going to Alabama... recorded in that has been called rock and roll.

Lead Belly was not rock and roll.

Big Joe Turner had a couple rock and roll tunes.

Adonis Stone wrote:

I have a 1928 tune by Delta legend Ishman Bracey wher he says....rock church rock.

Jackie Brenson's Rocket 88 probably the first ..rock and roll....tune.

Missisippi Delta legend Charley Paton has a tune... Going to Alabama... recorded in that has been called rock and roll.

Lead Belly was not rock and roll.

Big Joe Turner had a couple rock and roll tunes.

Isn't google a great substitute for knowledge?

Trust me on this one you do not want to play that with me. I own all them old blues, rock, country. Deep into the origins of it all.

I recommend everyone into music go back in time to them old blues from the 20's. That's where it all started.

Check out...

Papa Charley Jackson

Bessie Smith

Ma Rainey

Charley Patton....you will be stunned.

Blind Lemon Jefferson

Blind Blake

Leroy Carr

Big Bill Broonzy

Blind Willie McTell

A great place to start.

Our president does all of these things. What is your point?

Chuck Barry did invent the Gong Show though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRvEpky17F8

Goree Carter & His Hepcats - "Rock Awhile" (1949)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3FNLnFg6Ck

- this is my vote for first Rock and Roll song

I can't get behind Charley Patton as a rock and roll performer or anyone that recorded prior to the late 1940's. I do have a couple of his recordings in my collection but I consider his work to be early blues. He is more of an influence on the influences of rock and roll. His stuff was just too early and the technology to create the rock and roll sound just didn't exist at that time.

Robert Johnson

Trump2020 wrote:

Without the blues, rock & roll does not exist.

Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, Jimmy Reed all played real rock & roll before any white radio station started playing Elvis.

And the blues would not exist without the negro spirituals and field hollers, and rockabilly would not exist without mid-20th century Pentecostal worship music.

It's impossible to define what rock'n'roll is.

"Rock around the clock" - as a previous poster pointed out - "swings ( ( emphasis on beat 2 and 4 .) but Elvis's Heartbreak Hotel emphasiises beat one.

But it would be crazy to say Haley's hit wasn't "Rock and Roll".

So at a very basic level, " Rock and Roll" can't be pinned down.

and, what about the lyrical content of the genre, was that In any way different than jump blues etc.

Well,I would say that Chuck brought something new to the table.

I've been playing Rock on guitar for 50+ years. If I was to pick one musician who is the face of Rock and Roll it would be Chuck Berry... fantastic songwriter, guitarist, performer, etc. Apparently, musicologists agree since they included Johnny B. Goode along with the music of Beethoven and JS Bach on the Golden Record on the Voyager spacecraft (now over 1 billion miles away)

igotoofastforyou wrote:

This is a crap racist post.

Chuck Berry is a legend. He influenced the beatles and other bands. They covered a lot of his songs. I originally thought roll over beethoven was theirs, but it's his.

Bang! How many posts did it take before the race card was played?

Man, I wish I was black! I too would walk around claiming racism about everything. No pay raise? Racist! Why are 90% of all people in our prisons black? Racism. Got a problem with a black woman having babies so she can collect more from the government and never work? Racist ba$tard! Got a problem with me saying Cracka? That ain't racist!

Me4u wrote:

igotoofastforyou wrote:

This is a crap racist post.

Chuck Berry is a legend. He influenced the beatles and other bands. They covered a lot of his songs. I originally thought roll over beethoven was theirs, but it's his.

Bang! How many posts did it take before the race card was played?

Man, I wish I was black! I too would walk around claiming racism about everything. No pay raise? Racist! Why are 90% of all people in our prisons black? Racism. Got a problem with a black woman having babies so she can collect more from the government and never work? Racist ba$tard! Got a problem with me saying Cracka? That ain't racist!

It took the first post as evidenced by the OP's name. Geez, don't be such a alt right snowflake.

RIP Chuck Berry

The "Gong Show" was never the same without you.

Plutocrat. wrote:

Little Richard is the main architect of Rock and Roll. End of thread.

+1

Whiteass wrote:

Anyone with two eyes can look it up and see that Berry's first hits came out in '56. Bill Haley and the Comets first hits came out in the early '50s. Clearly Haley invented Rock & Roll.

Additionally, 'Rock Around The Clock' still gets lots of radio time to this day.

Hail to Berry? He did not invent Rock & Roll. Also, he was pretty much a slimebag. He was imprisoned three different times, for statutory rape, armed robbery and sexual assault. He also videotaped women getting dressed in one of his clubs. He was later found with videos of these naked women in his home after a raid. These offences happened throughout his life, young, middle aged and old.

Haley was definitely on the forefront, especially It you are talking about rockabilly, which was basically more upbeat country with amplified guitars. The problem is, there in no universally accepted definition of rock & roll. But the truth is, there were all sorts of new sounds in the early 50's, much of which was being appropriated from African Americans. I would definitely say Haley is the most influential in making rock & roll more mainstream.

You will find NO firsts of anything in Rock and Roll. The advent of rhythm guitar leads you all over the place. Guitar(rhythm and base ) plus drums leads us to several.

Rock and Roll was invented when certain music was coined R & R only

Good luck

Rock and Roll was not invented. Rock and Roll was more like a storm than a printing press. A storm is not invented. It forms from a combination of factors. Rock and Roll formed as the result of the migration of African Americans from the south to the north during the post WWII period. They brought "race music" to urban areas in the north and gained exposure to white musicians and audiences. It was ultimately the cross cultural pollination of "race music" and musical styles played by white musicians that created Rock and Roll.

Chuck Berry was a defining moment in rock and roll, but not an inventor. His chord progressions had been played a million times in black only clubs across the south before he every played Johnny B Goode. But Chuck Berry brought together those chord progressions with brilliant lyrics at a time when pressure was building for civil rights, allowing him to be heard on white radio and seen on white TV.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

RIP Chuck Berry

The "Gong Show" was never the same without you.

Actually Chuck Barris his just died too. He was 87.