New NOP report- Rupp/Centro Suspicious Blood test. + Nike interfering with USADA

Thanks for this post, Rojo. In matters like this, it's always worthwhile to play the 'vice versa' game. If this news were released about a runner like Ben True, say, or Ryan Hill, I think people would rightly scoff that it wasn't really indicative of anything one way or the other.

I think it's important to emphasize that a 'suspicious' profile is not an indictment, just reason for further investigation. 'Suspicious' does not mean 'dirty.'

It's also worth emphasizing that variations in things like T/E ratios and hemoglobin, in any athlete, are far from abnormal. Obviously there are ranges for what is deemed 'normal,' but the reason those ranges exist is in part to account for the chemical variations that any human body necessarily experiences over the course of intense training (especially intense training at altitude).

rojo wrote:

There are two threads on the same topic. We don't like that. We are merging this one into the the other thread. One person started a thread wondering why there was no thread on the matter. Ironically, he started a few hours after the fact that there was already a thread on the topic. They are now merged.

This is Fake News. There were two threads started about their being no LRC threads on doping topics, one on the topic of NOP/Salazar (Der Spiegel), and one on the topic of USADA/Farah (Daily Mail). The first one started before this topic, and still exists. The second one came later, and was the one that was merged (though it still is on the front page, and goes to a dead page when clicked).

None of the two recent articles has anything but a bunch of accusations. I'm not saying Salazar/NOP are clean, but there is literally zero raw data to support the opposite assertion right now.

well. in russia doping is organized by the state and in the usa its done by big companies. capitalism vs socialism

rojo wrote:

I would remind everyone.

1) If they had anything actionable, charges would have been filed.

That is not a fact, it's your assumption.

Oh Boy Alberto! wrote:

Slow tactical races are common in championships, but 50.x last 400s are not. Centro had an exceptional finish, even by all-time historical standards.

He had an exceptional finish in a historically slow 1500.

Ahem, YES wrote:

Ahem, no wrote:

Ahem, no.

Do you realize that 50 seconds is not fast at all for world class 1500/mile?

Snell, Ovett, Coe, Tanui, Rohdal, Schuman, Kipketer, El G all split under 46 seconds for 4x400 in their careers, ever heard of them??

Coe could run 400 repeats all day at Centros fastest 400 time!

He means 50 flat after running 3 laps in a serious race. Not running 50 flat in a plain 400m.

From the reports we pretty much have the optimal supplement regime.

NOP athletes were very successful in Rio. This proves that what they are doing works. I don't know why people are surprised they have crazy supplement regimes when they do crazy training.

Why isn't everyone else hammering Iron, Vitamin D and using Thyroxine, It's 100% legal and very easy to obtain, heck it's barely even dangerous.

If it works (and it clearly does) why doesn't everyone do it. The records are there, just do what they do.

Even the 50ml infusions, 100% legit yet no one else does it. Why not? It's legal. It's a race, you might as well win.

B*llSh*t. Intravenous infusions are not how humans normally ingest nutrition which is why part of the WADA code mentions using abnormal ingestion methods as a criteria used in banning substances.

Soccer Playa wrote:

Rupper the Rapper wrote:

My understanding was that Rupp was actually a pretty good soccer player before he switched to running.

Well then. There are a lot of "pretty good" soccer players running around. How many have won Olympic distance running medals.

There should be a bunch of pretty good" soccer players. Seems like easy picking for running coaches. No need to look for the next Rupp. Just go to a soccer field and convert the fastest ones to Olympic medalists. So easy. Any coach can be a winner.

A guy from Germany that brushed his teeth with faulty toothpaste

rojo wrote:

There are two threads on the same topic. We don't like that. We are merging this one into the the other thread. One person started a thread wondering why there was no thread on the matter. Ironically, he started a few hours after the fact that there was already a thread on the topic. They are now merged.

You're a pain in the Ass

Centro is both a garbage human being and one of the most blatant cheaters I've ever seen. Would love to see his gold seized and handed to Makh-Daddy.

cleans wrote:

FWIW, UKAD appear reluctant to hand over the samples for retesting.

British Athletics or the IAAF are the only people with the authority to have samples retested. UKAD has no authority to demand retests.

rojo wrote:

I would remind everyone.

1) If they had anything actionable, charges would have been filed.

Sigh... No. The federation (national and international) has the authority to not open a case. As we found out with the IAAF and Russia, this is a nice opportunity to demand, and receive, a bribe.

Here's why everyone shouldn't be hammering iron:https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/iron-and-the-endurance-athlete/

MD Lipoflush wrote:

From the reports we pretty much have the optimal supplement regime.

NOP athletes were very successful in Rio. This proves that what they are doing works. I don't know why people are surprised they have crazy supplement regimes when they do crazy training.

Why isn't everyone else hammering Iron, Vitamin D and using Thyroxine, It's 100% legal and very easy to obtain, heck it's barely even dangerous.

If it works (and it clearly does) why doesn't everyone do it. The records are there, just do what they do.

Even the 50ml infusions, 100% legit yet no one else does it. Why not? It's legal. It's a race, you might as well win.

MD Lipoflush wrote:

From the reports we pretty much have the optimal supplement regime.

You mean like never testing positive? Yes. For sure. Full credit to Salazar.

Unfortunately, I read the whole article.

It's an obvious example of the media attempting to sensationalize events to increase their readership and ad revenues. Or, more to the point, an attempt of the 'reporter' to sensationalize events to further their career.

This kind of 'journalism' is why no one trusts the media any more.

Hairtoday wrote:

That's pretty harsh:

"It begins on a soccer field with a pale, 14-year-old boy from Portland with Dumbo ears and an overbite."

It's Der Spiegel, run by the same bunch who run most of the media in the US and hate white people, even though they call themselves white when it's to their advantage to hide certain things. Nice campaign to try and hide the real doping story, the almost officially sanctioned cheating by Kenya, Ethiopia, Cuba, and lots more places stuffed with poor third worlders who'd never even take an aspirin.

Phantasy Star wrote:

Centro is both a garbage human being and one of the most blatant cheaters I've ever seen. Would love to see his gold seized and handed to Makh-Daddy.

Yeah give it to a walking, talking, breathing pharmaceutical experiment. Great idea.