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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/travel/iran-tourism-sanctions.htmlmarkboen wrote:
As an American, I wouldn't live long walking in the streets of Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen. Average citizens would jump me, torture me, and then behead me.
“One of the biggest surprises about Iran is that they love Americans,†he said. “They hear you speak English and assume you’re British, and when they learn you’re American they want to have their picture taken with you and invite you to eat. I’ve never been so popular.â€
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This year, Britain-based Golden Eagle Luxury Trains, which has run tours via sleeper trains in Iran since 2014, reports that Americans account for 88 percent of its passengers in Iran, compared with about 50 percent in previous years.
Disco,
You've conveniently skipped the question asked of you.
In this utter failure of a presidency so far, what would Trump have to do for you to withdraw your support?
rabble rabble rabble wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:What perspective would that be? Don't blame all Muslims for the actions of 20% of their group?
Yes. But to think that 20% of Muslims are terrorists is a reckless exaggeration. Which is not to say we shouldn't be wary of the few violent radicals, we absolutely should. But we must not blow it out of proportion and assume all Muslims are a homogeneous group with the same violent beliefs. There are insane fundamentalists in every religion, but we can't let them overshadow the mainstream.
I think one problem is that its not an either or for Muslims. Some are extreme terrorist, some are sympathizers, some don't engage in terror but support it financially, some hate Israel, some speak out against terror, some are peaceful, some are pro-west. Its a continuum...not an either/or.... Vetting is necessary. Its basically a background check. When you apply for a loan, your financial/employment background/history will be vetted by the bank... For immigration, some of our checks are good, but we are lacking in other areas (like is it really true the officials do not check Facebook and social media??).
In reality, vetting can be considered discrimination. You discriminate, based on facts that you can gather, and then decide if the person is a threat. Or if you can't determine, then wouldn't you deny access...or would you grant access? Do we just have open borders and trust anyone? We have to be cautious. This is why I support Trumps temporary suspension of Muslim immigration from the 7 countries known to harbor terrorist, especially refugees since terrorist groups do plan to infiltrate refugee populations in order to try to gain access to US soil. I support it as long as its temporary, the time is used to improve our vetting process, and that some of the glitches are worked out. I would admit indeed that some of his administration let him down a bit with the roll out of it. It caused upheaval and inconveniences for sure. Some of it was hastily implemented. Legitimate, respected, and/or employed persons from the 7 countries persons were denied access. But 15 or so other Muslims countries are not experiencing this suspension.
You can hate Trump the man, you can hate his style..... but to automatically decide everything he does, says, and implements is based on hate, racism, and bigotry, then I think some are failing to look at the substance of the issues. There are legitimate concerns and arguments that support a TEMPORARY SUSPENSION (I use that word instead of ban). Another way to look at it is he is trying to protect American citizens now and in the future, because there is an evil group of people that want to bring death, terror, and carnage to the West. You may disagree, and thinks its overkill, but there is substance to the reasoning. Its not pretty, its not full of niceties, and yes, its actually a place where "discrimination" is needed.
I feel for refugees and immigrants, and am blessed that I live in the US and am a citizen. But when I travel to other countries, I must adhere to their rules, their travel allowances, and also respect a denial of access if that happens.
Anyhow, I guess I am just trying to say is I see the point of a temporary suspension. I see some substance here. I am not reacting to it as if its racism, bigotry, hate, the ending of American values, etc. I see it as needed discrimination, or the improvement of needed discrimination, that in the end will benefit the American people (of which are all races, religions, ethnic groups, etc).
I hope no one gets mad at me now.
DiscoGary wrote:
If you can't understand that Islam is not a religion, but a fascist political system Hell bent on world domination (just as they say it is), then you better hope my side wins so you never have to face the consequences of your own willful ignorance.
If you think what I just posted is based on hate, and not facts, then you ought to get your news from some other source.
Claiming the religion of 1.5+ BILLION PEOPLE isn't actually a religion at all might make a few of those people a wee bit unhappy. But, f*ck political correctness, Gary would rather over-generalize the hell out of everything and demonize as many groups that disagree with his world view as he can.
More BS from the left.
http://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/muslim-olympian-detained-by-obama-not-trump/
FitzyXC wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:If you can't understand that Islam is not a religion, but a fascist political system Hell bent on world domination (just as they say it is), then you better hope my side wins so you never have to face the consequences of your own willful ignorance.
If you think what I just posted is based on hate, and not facts, then you ought to get your news from some other source.
Claiming the religion of 1.5+ BILLION PEOPLE isn't actually a religion at all might make a few of those people a wee bit unhappy. But, f*ck political correctness, Gary would rather over-generalize the hell out of everything and demonize as many groups that disagree with his world view as he can.
This is why you lost the election. Sane people can see what's going on and do not want to import millions of people who either hate us or want to live under Sharia law.
I could post polls showing how many Muslims support Sharia law in the US and elsewhere. I could post polls showing the percentage of Muslims who agree with suicide bombings, etc. I could show pictures of gays being thrown off of buildings or women being stoned to death for adultery. But most of you have seen all that already and you refuse to acknowledge it.
PC demands that you defend Islam to the very end, even when their behavior is indefensible. You can not be convinced and every effort to do so is met with ever increasing indignation and outrage. None of you would take your families to live in those seven countries.
You can not be reasoned with.
You have to be defeated.
Thank God Trump won.
Now... does anyone out there wonder why these leftists defend the indefensible? We all know they wouldn't put up with a minute of the homophobic or misogynist behavior we see from Muslims if it came from Christians. So why are they so tolerant of Muslims? I've described it before but there may be new lurkers here. Hint: they are not insane as i insinuated a moment ago.
Snowflake's Muslim ban has been stalled by the courts. The Supreme Court will likely strike it down. Get ready for MARTIAL LAW and one million Green Berets, Delta Forces, SEALS, and Para Rescue special agents occupying state houses, city halls, county seats, air ports, sea ports, and border crossings.
You just don't get it. Obama left office with an approval rating of 60%. If he were able to run again, he would have won handily. If Biden had run, he would have won. Clinton lost because her email debacle, because of James Comey, because of her overconfidence and poor campaigning in the upper midwest and the Rust Belt. And despite all that, she still netted 3 million more votes, but it could have been 30 million more and if the Electoral College still doesn't go her way, that's what counts.
Do you have a problem with Jews who want to live under the halakha? For example:
And it would be just as relevant as Jews supporting the existence of rabbinical courts in the US. And elsewhere.
Acknowledge this: as of 2014, 45% of American Muslims say homosexuality should be accepted, compared of 36% of Evangelical Christians.
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/chapter-4-social-and-political-attitudes/You wouldn't know. Religious freedom and respect for all religious beliefs is paramount in a free society. The moment you want to start restricting someone else's rights because of your religious persuasion, then we've got a problem. And problems like this exist in many parts of the world. But at least countries like the United States can serve as an example.
Is that the measure? When is your family moving to Burundi, with its 90% Christian population? Or how about 92% Christian Rwanda? The dollar goes far in both places.
You seem to ignore any fact that runs contrary to your ideology.
Who is tolerating what? I denounce the discrimination and violence against gay people in the Middle East and in Uganda, where the 85% Christian popularly elected government passed laws banning homosexual behavior on penalty of death, laws that were overturned on a technicality, and was ultimately not pursued any further because of the fear of reduced international aid. People shouldn't be harmed because of who they are.
Because I believe in the 1st Amendment and I'm sophisticated enough to know that good people and horrible can come from any religious persuasion.
Hi all,
I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion. However, I ended up wasting way too much time at work and won't be able to continue today. Didn't forget about you.
Good God, you need help, intense help, You should not be in civilized society.
Just dropping in to say thank you to all those who are completely destroying CrazyGary in this thread - you the real MVP!
Regarding Rabbinical courts and sharia law, I believe they're intended to settle disputes between their respective religious adherents. The average Jew or Moslem that might want it is not subjecting everyone else to it.
There is growing evidence that Democrats lost the election because the Trump campaign actively colluded with Russia to influence the election in exchange for better diplomatic relations. Otherwise, the reason Democrats lost the election was because Trump lied about being able to bring back manufacturing jobs to the rust belt states.
The left is not defending Islam. The left consistently called out GW Bush for his close ties with Saudi Arabia and failure to speak out against the Kingdom's alignment with the radical Wahabists. Where were conservatives when W was sending the Saudi's billions in US advanced weapons systems?
And speaking of Russia, guess who is covertly backing the Taliban in Afghanistan? Of course, this has been dismissed by conservatives as just Russian trouble making because their President is beholden to Russia for delivering the election.
(This should be good)
Please define a "civilized society".
(HINT: Don't answer! This is a trap! Run screaming! The trap is that any answer you give will exclude the followers of Sharia Law, and you will end up supporting my argument. So don't do it.)
Precious Roy wrote:
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There is growing evidence that Democrats lost the election because the Trump campaign actively colluded with Russia to influence the election in exchange for better diplomatic relations. Otherwise, the reason Democrats lost the election was because Trump lied about being able to bring back manufacturing jobs to the rust belt states.
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Wow! The big lie really does work, on some people. Fascinating Jim.
Hillary collected hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign entities, while the Democrats had the digital security discipline of a hot dog stand ... and Trump was the one colluding with foreign powers to win the election?
We are witnessing what happens when a third party candidate wins the White House. Trump and the American people are fighting everyone, including the Republican party, all at once. This ought to be an epic battle!
Obama was held to no standard at all, while the Trump administration is being ripped apart from every corner. The change couldn't be more drastic. History is unfolding for those who can cut through the hate and chaos to see it.
Clear it up by releasing all tax records. How would you react to Obama or Clinton refusing to release their records?
You're witnessing the President of the United States compromise the country. Do you not care if the US lets Russia do as they please?
Obama was criticized like every other president. It's good for ratings. Trump's administration has been woefully unprepared, by every objective measure, and he has been justly lampooned.
You got one thing right.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
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Obama was criticized like every other president.
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You are saying Obama was criticized the same way Trump is being criticized right now? When? How can you say something like that?
Watching history get rewritten in real time is a sobering thing. It really helps one understand how all the truly horrible things happened in the past. If this many people can be misled so badly and so quickly, then it's easy to see how a peaceful tolerant country can slide into oppression within weeks.
It's shocking.
Everything is us vs. them with you. I am not a leftist. I live in the same country as you do. Hell, I'm even a libertarian leaning, leave the people type alone that you used to be before you caught Trump Fever. I voted for Kasich in the primaries and then Johnson because, even for his increasingly apparent flaws, the major party nominees were heavily divisive which was almost certainly going to result in the the situation we have now: 20-25% the country gloating that "THEIR GUY'' won (like Trump/Hillary ever gave a sh*t about you) won, 20-25% of the country stark raving mad that "the other guy" won, and 50-60% of the country wondering why everyone else is yelling at each other without any sense of reason/compromise. I would fall in with the majority in this scenario.
But go ahead and lump me in with the people rioting because they didn't get their way and whining that they have to pay off student loans they agreed to pay off. It's what you do...generalize. Because you are afraid to actually get to know people that disagree with you.
FitzyXC wrote:
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Everything is us vs. them with you.
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Everyone keeps saying that. My ideology is based on libertarianism, but skews conservative when politics forces me to choose the lesser of two evils. Actually, I'm an ideologue who believes that we need to return to Constitutionally limited government and obey our owns laws. That should be something we all can agree on, but those who want the government beating up on their political enemies will never agree to that.
So I push back.
Things are headed in a very dangerous direction right now, but then, it never could have turned out any other way. When you teach half of the population to hate the other half, then that creates a cultural momentum that can not be dissipated without negative consequences.
Bad times ahead.