Laura Muir doping? What about Clayton Murphy...

Simpson is better than Muir.

Murphy's run a 45.x 400m split (indoors?). A guy who runs xc and has that good 400m speed can be expected to run very fast with the right field when he is physically mature.

Muir had neither good speed, nor good overdistance endurance, and she was already 20 when she ran 4:07.

Here are two more reasons. Murphy's hardly alone with fairly young guys running sub 1:43, and plenty of European and American born athletes who never tested positive and never were part of organized doping programs have run faster, while the only ever to run faster than Muir in women's competition are Eastern Bloc and Chinese dopers plus Didoper. Muir's 16th all-time.

jjjjjj wrote:

Murphy's hardly alone with fairly young guys running sub 1:43, and plenty of European and American born athletes who never tested positive and never were part of organized doping programs have run faster

Name one.

you guys are slanderous. You should be ashamed.

Quehoares wrote:

Simpson is better than Muir.

Nope.

By which I mean name a young American or European guy who has run faster at a similar age. You said there are plenty, so really I'd like to hear about 5-10 of them.

Personally, I don't find either athlete particularly suspicious.

Gold + silver + bronze. Muir will get some hardware but nothing like that!

"LaBadie believes the 800 and 1500 distances are symbiotic. You improve at one, you get better at the other. He also feels certain that Murphy, who recently signed a professional running contract with Nike, will continue to improve. “Clayton’s so young and has so much potential—he can run a 46-second 400 any day of the week. There’s no question in my mind, he can run faster.”

What can Muir run a 400 in?

400 55.36 i 3 6 Emirates Arena Scottish National Open 16 Jan 16

800 2:00.57

Muir raced mostly at 800, 1500 and mile in 2016 with cross training and time at altitude.

Quehoares wrote:

Simpson is better than Muir.

??? not even close

MUIR SIMPSON

800 2:00.42 2:00.45

1500 3:55.22 3:57.22

1 mile 4:19.12 4:22.18

3000 8:26.41i 8:29.58

5000 14:49.12i 14:56.26

The sport is about racing your competitors, not time trials. Simpson's resume is infinitely better at this point and will still be better when they are both retired. Would you try to tell me that Webb is better than Centro? No.

No, Muir is the better athlete. On her best day she has run faster than Simpson on her best day.

Simpson has a better resume only because she's 30 years older than Muir.

Muir will surpass easily if healthy. Gold or silver in world champs this year a high possibility.

Why would I tell you Webb is better than Centro? Centro has run faster in the 1000, 1500, 3000, and 5000.

For many years I was cynical about performances, always looking for red flags with a performance or debating whether athlete x was clean based on any number of factors. If an actually actually tests positive that is a different story, but here's some advice - enjoy the performances and don't worry about who is in Font Romeau with Jama, and enjoy watching great athletic performances. Its just sport, after all

Fairly young sub 1:43s:

Rudisha 1:40.91 at 23/8, 1:41.01/1:41.09 at 21/8, 1:41.33 at 22/9, 1:41.51 at 21/7, 1:41.54 at 23/7, and also ran 1:42.01 at 20y/9 months (he was listed at 28 last year)

Coe 1:41.73 at 24/9, 1:42.33 at 22/10

Cruz 1:41.77 21/5, 1:42.34 at 21/5, 1:42.41 at 21/5, 1:42.49 at 22/5

(Kipketer ran his sub 1:42s at 25 years and up)

Amos 1:41.73 at supposed 18/5>maybe this was really 21 or 22 or 23; also 1:42.45 at listed 20/4, 1:42.66 at supposed 21/4

Kaki (doped with his coach?) 1:42.23 at 20/11, 1:42:69 at 19/11

Koskei 1:42.28 23y

Bungei 1:42.34 at 22, 1:42.52 at 23/2

Aman 1:42.37 at 21/8, 1:42.53 at 18/7 listed, maybe really 22?

Borz 1:42.47 at 20/4, 1:42.79 at 27/3

Tuka 1:42.51 at 24/6

Kitum 1:42.53 at listed 17/9>maybe really 21-23?

Bosse 1:42.53 at 22/2

Bucher 1:42.55 at 24/10, 1:42.75 at 24/10

Rodal 1:42.58 at 23/10

Gray 1:42.60 at 25/2, 1:42.65 at 28!, 1:42.80 at 32!

Makhloufi 1:42.61 at 28/4!

Ndururi 1:42.62 at 28/7!

Yego 1:42.67 at 22/10

Sepeng 1:42.69 at 25/3, 1:42.74 at 22/1

Japheth Kimutai 1:42.69 at listed 20/9

skipping some now to stick to Euro/American

Solomon 1:42.82 at 27/8!

Tellez 1:42.85 at 24/6

Cram 1:42.88 at 24/10

Murphy 1:42.93 at 21/6

And the following:

82 1:42.90 André Bucher SUI 19.10.76 1 Monaco 20.07.2001

86 1:42.92 André Bucher SUI 19.10.76 4 Bruxelles 03.09.1999

88 1:42.95 Vebjørn Rodal NOR 16.09.72 2 Oslo 05.07.1996

88 1:42.95 Nick Symmonds USA 30.12.83 5 London 09.08.2012

91 1:42.96 Johnny Gray USA 19.06.60 1 Koblenz 29.08.1984

93 1:42.97 Peter Elliott GBR 09.10.62 1 Sevilla 30.05.1990

95 1:42.98 Joaquim Cruz BRA 12.03.63 1r1 Berlin 23.08.1985

95 1:42.98 Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29.04.88 2rA Saint-Denis 27.08.2016

Rheinhold Cacoethes wrote:

but here's some advice - enjoy the performances and don't worry about who is in Font Romeau with Jama, and enjoy watching great athletic performances.

Right, was Barry Fudge in Font Romeau with Jama?

Billy Fap wrote:

Rheinhold Cacoethes wrote:

but here's some advice - enjoy the performances and don't worry about who is in Font Romeau with Jama, and enjoy watching great athletic performances.

Right, was Barry Fudge in Font Romeau with Jama?

Oh God, I wrote enjoy the performances twice!