Conundrum wrote:
Buuuuut, RUSSIA!! wrote:
[quote]Conundrum wrote:
[quote]The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
These people are so fvcked.
https://thinkprogress.org/new-pro-trump-ad-features-little-girl-thanking-trump-for-letting-us-say-merry-christmas-again-11131bee0a79/
The best thing about that ad is that if I ever accidentally swallow some poison, I can watch that and puke it all out. I'll have to keep that link at the ready.
foo wrote:
I’m sure you all have played around with those apps that tell you how the new tax code will affect you. It’s incredible. The poor folks are taxed about the same. The middle class has a modest tax decrease for the first few years and then has pretty hefty tax increases. By the time you get to those people making 500k or more, it’s a 10% or more tax break across the board. Essentially modest or little change for everyone except the rich, who get a windfall.
Is this what Trump voters voted for? This isn’t helping the middle class. This is clearly a handout to the rich. Trickle down economics has never worked in the past and it is not likely to work now. It’s true that blue collar America has been screwed over the past 20 or 30 years. Trump and the GOP have all but guaranteed that the trend will continue well into the future.
55% of people don't pay any taxes so you can't lower them. The middle class is quite low as it is, but they're getting a tax break.
This is well said. The red hats need to stop immersing themselves in fake news, it only serves to make them look even more stupid. It's time for them to mature into the pubescent stages of accepting the reality of Trump's impending derailment and own up to their own personal shortcomings and limitations as human beings. This chapter has also ripped the band-aid off of American racism and sexism that continues to run rampant in this country, and that needs to be addressed.
Merry Christmas to you too.
balan bebb wrote:
#16 Be a decent human being, support those you care for, support those who care for you, don't be selfish, do what's in the best interest for your community, and the next generations over yourself.
Happy Holidays LetsRun community
#16 says it all. The voters in Alabama voted for decency last week. Lets hope that continues in 2018 and beyond.
foo wrote:
balan bebb wrote:
#16 Be a decent human being, support those you care for, support those who care for you, don't be selfish, do what's in the best interest for your community, and the next generations over yourself.
Happy Holidays LetsRun community
#16 says it all. The voters in Alabama voted for decency last week. Lets hope that continues in 2018 and beyond.
No, #16 doesn't say it all, you specifically need #1-3
easy fact check wrote:
foo wrote:
I’m sure you all have played around with those apps that tell you how the new tax code will affect you. It’s incredible. The poor folks are taxed about the same. The middle class has a modest tax decrease for the first few years and then has pretty hefty tax increases. By the time you get to those people making 500k or more, it’s a 10% or more tax break across the board. Essentially modest or little change for everyone except the rich, who get a windfall.
Is this what Trump voters voted for? This isn’t helping the middle class. This is clearly a handout to the rich. Trickle down economics has never worked in the past and it is not likely to work now. It’s true that blue collar America has been screwed over the past 20 or 30 years. Trump and the GOP have all but guaranteed that the trend will continue well into the future.
55% of people don't pay any taxes so you can't lower them. The middle class is quite low as it is, but they're getting a tax break.
The middle class gets a modest tax break for a few years then a modest tax increase thereafter. At least that was the case on both of the calculators I played with. The rich get a major tax break for the foreseeable future...
Flagpole wrote:
Bloody nose flagpole wrote:
BO walked into a D-controlled House and Senate that had voted to bail out Wall Street. These were the same D's that claimed all was good with the economy just a few years earlier...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqgThe wheels came off the economy in October 2007...didn't take too long, and many experts were surprised by the depth of the problem, so "a few years earlier" most thought the economy was good. Democrats aren't happy about the debt that piled up under Obama, but unfortunately much of it was necessary to pull ourselves out of the big problem...a problem caused by many including Bill Clinton, so I am not casting stones at Bush or republicans here. Where stones are cast at Republicans though is after Trump said he would wipe out the national debt in 8 years and then endorses a tax bill that absolutely goes the other direction. It's the hypocrisy and the lying that's the issue, not necessarily the debt itself.
Mueller is coming.
Obstruction of justice
Violation of Emoluments clause
Money Laundering
Conspiracy
Removal
The clown is done.
So, the republicans sound the alarm and call for, wait for it... regulation, but yet, "many experts were surprised by the depth of the problem".
You're a joke.
I came.
You're done.
its_baddudd wrote:
Please post something in English.
FitzyXC wrote:
It is not "simple logic" that all this will happen unless you rule out all other possible outcomes. Which you are far too lazy to do. That is actually taking quite a logical leap and making massive assumptions.
I believe that is code for "I know nothing about actual logic but throw the word around anyway to make myself feel smart".
Countries spending money that they don't have can sometimes work if it is done to a limited extent and as a short term method to stimulate a depressed ecomony. However this is NOT the case.
History has many examples like Brazil in the past where this has destroyed an economy. The pie in the sky belief that we can print money and not pay our bills and that we will be better off is foolish.
The Republican tax plan has been sold on this faulty and dangerous premise. There is no free lunch. Our children will have to pay for today's wealthy eating so well.
But yet the foolish post here and celebrate the extra money for the rich while our bulls unpaid.
Some people are stupid.
baitedclicker wrote:
its_baddude wrote:
First let me define a lie. A lie is a purposeful untruth. There is a difference between a mistake and a lie. You can read something wrong and repeat it. That is not a lie; It is a false statement. Spin can be a lie. You can interpret something one way or another, but you can't make stuff up on purpose.
House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi called the Senate tax bill "the end of the world," "Armageddon," and "stiff competition … [for the] the worst bill in the history of the United States Congress."
The worst bill in the history of the United States Congress is spin. Armageddon is a straight up lie.
This is a strange thing to single out for a lie. Anyone can see it's hyperbole.
You seem to be having trouble telling the difference betweens lies, spin, promises, bullsh^t and hyperbole, not to mention facts and fiction.
Trump does not lie. He tells it like he sees it.
Well I'm convinced
The media constantly lies (not always).
No contradiction there
You can post anything he says here and we can have pages and pages of debates on the interpretation.
Pretty much described the entire thread.
its_baddude wrote:
I want to you watch this video. Listen to what the reporter asks and then then answer. Does this really sound like hyperbole to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0mUp2-LygU
Actually it sounds like a figure of speech. It isn't important next to the substance of what she is saying. It's not an attempt to deceive. Just a stupid exaggeration (sound familiar?). It's so stupid in fact that she feels she has to walk it back at the end in order to make the point that she still believes America is a great country.
FitzyXC wrote:
its_baddude wrote:
Consider this scenario
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1) Business A has $ money left over.
2) Business A gives bonus $ to every employee
3) Employee decides to buy a widget
4) Widget factory expands to meet demand and hires more workers
5) More workers now need new widget and pay taxes
6) Tax revenues go up
7) Widget factory expands to meet demand again
8) Repeat.
Same principle as money in the bank.
It is not "simple logic" that all this will happen unless you rule out all other possible outcomes. Which you are far too lazy to do. That is actually taking quite a logical leap and making massive assumptions.
its_baddudd wrote:
Please post something in English.
You want to pretend that that didn't make sense? Or did you geniunely not understand the point being made? Either way not good.
Flagpole wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Too funny. Barry blew up that credit card by ballooning the deficit by $10 TRILLION over 8 years, and you libs are in cardiac arrest over $1.4 trillion in 10 years? The GDP in 2018 will soar over 3%, probably closer to 4%.
1) I don't think any Democrats are happy about the debt that piled up under Obama.
2) Obama inherited the worst economic situation since the Great Depression, and his actions saved millions of jobs.
3) $1.4 trillion added to the debt is a problem by itself, but the reason why reasonable people are upset about it is because Trump said he would get rid of the national debt in 8 years and the GOP ran on fiscal conservancy...all lies apparently...not a shock coming from this President.
Muller is coming.
The clown is done.
Y'all understand the difference between the debt and the deficit right?
I gave you a simple scenario and all you can say is that I have to rule out all possibilities? Please post something worthy of a conversation. I give you a hint. Go plagiarize what flagpole posted and then I can respond.
FitzyXC wrote:
its_baddudd wrote:
Please post something in English.
I believe that is code for "I know nothing about actual logic but throw the word around anyway to make myself feel smart".
The new FBI recruits like Trump.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
PIO! wrote:
It's hilarious that folks like you fall for this child-level propaganda. Well, I guess if nobody fell for propaganda then it would cease to exist. And then where would we be? LOL
Good job being a useful idiot.
Even more hilarious that journalists at NBC/MSNBC are among the Comcast employees getting $1,000 bonuses based on the passage of tax reform. Yep, even the Trump haters are going to benefit from the tax cuts.
1) Wow. A whole thousand dollars. Chump change.
2) I personally will get WAY more than that over time as I will benefit greatly from stock buy backs and the market going up as a result. Doesn't matter, because I don't use my own personal situation as the measuring stick of what is right. Little thing called integrity that more people should investigate.
Bloody nose flagpole wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
The wheels came off the economy in October 2007...didn't take too long, and many experts were surprised by the depth of the problem, so "a few years earlier" most thought the economy was good. Democrats aren't happy about the debt that piled up under Obama, but unfortunately much of it was necessary to pull ourselves out of the big problem...a problem caused by many including Bill Clinton, so I am not casting stones at Bush or republicans here. Where stones are cast at Republicans though is after Trump said he would wipe out the national debt in 8 years and then endorses a tax bill that absolutely goes the other direction. It's the hypocrisy and the lying that's the issue, not necessarily the debt itself.
Mueller is coming.
Obstruction of justice
Violation of Emoluments clause
Money Laundering
Conspiracy
Removal
The clown is done.
So, the republicans sound the alarm and call for, wait for it... regulation, but yet, "many experts were surprised by the depth of the problem".
You're a joke.
I came.
You're done.
Dude, "Republicans" were not sounding the alarm until the wheels began to fall off. Prior to Oct. 2007, there were a handful of Democrats and Republicans who understood the problem, but this was not an issue that Republicans got that Democrats didn't. Bush was in office then, and many Republicans were saying things were fine in hopes of not having any of the bad attached to Bush.
BUT...this needs to stay on track, and that is the horribleness and removal of Donald J. Trump.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
its_baddude wrote:
I gave you a simple scenario and all you can say is that I have to rule out all possibilities? Please post something worthy of a conversation. I give you a hint. Go plagiarize what flagpole posted and then I can respond.
FitzyXC wrote:
I believe that is code for "I know nothing about actual logic but throw the word around anyway to make myself feel smart".
Not my problem you have no grasp of conditional logic, then throw around the term "simple logic" like you know what the hell you are talking about. Take the LSAT sometime and get back to me when you fail miserably.
nontrumper wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Well apparently there is not evidence that there are those in the FBI that did not put those beliefs aside. I'm actually quite surprised about this, having a cousin that was a respected FBI agent for many years. Always above reproach. But no longer it would appear. Those in the FBI that act on their political agenda should be weeded out and exposed, no matter what their political persuasion.
And the same two had texts bashing Eric Holder, Sanders, and others on the left. They certainly should not have used work phones to share private texts and opinions, but the attack on the FBI investigation is just cover. Donnie knows the end is approaching. The dominoes are falling and it's happening faster and faster. This is YUGE.
Country over party.
I think not. Grasping at straws are all that you're doing at this point.
Flagpole wrote:
The m a g a man wrote:
Nope, you'll be proven wrong again...
INCORRECT
You're pretty confident for someone that has no evidence to present thats verifiable, and with a pretty dismal track record of predictions.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
INCORRECT
You're pretty confident for someone that has no evidence to present thats verifiable, and with a pretty dismal track record of predictions.
Actually, my predictions are pretty good...Ritz would break 13:00, Obama would win a second term (I had lots of push back here on that), what Michael Aish would run in his first marathon (again, lots of push back) and that Trump had ZERO chance of winning...that last one just not proven yet, but will be once collusion (conspiracy) is shown.
You say I am confident with "no evidence", but there is a LOT of evidence that things are going the way I say. That some Republicans are so confident when they have ZERO evidence that they should be is ridiculous...though not ALL Republicans are confident in acquittal...that's why they are attacking the investigators and the truth media.
Not related, but the ass kissing of the Republicans after the tax bill thing was cringe-worthy. They might as well have gotten on their knees in front of Trump and unzipped his pants. Grown men behaving like that...have some dignity!
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