Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Along with the earlier AT&T news, Comcast announced that the company would award special $1,000 bonuses to more than one hundred thousand eligible frontline and non-executive employees, plus invest $50B in new infrastructure.

Boeing also announced a new $300 million investment initiative, due to tax cuts.

Bancorp, Wells Fargo and others announced they will implement a $15 minimum wage. Imagine that, Trump was able to raise people’s wages without using a government mandate to do it.

M.A.G.A.!!!

Trump has created a situation where companies are now trying to compete over who can M.A.G.A. the hardest. And let's never forget that Nancy Pelosi called it the worst piece of legislation that congress ever passed.

Senator Mark Warner has put a red line down, and we know Trump likes to cross lines. According to Congressman Ted Lieu, following the lead of Richard Nixon will not end well for Trump.

It is very clear that Republicans are concerned that Mueller is getting close to Trump when they begin to malign the man who they once praised.

If Trump gets Mueller fired, he will be ousted sooner than he would have been.

The way the Republicans were kissing Trump's butt today was ridiculous. No shame for them.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

its_baddude wrote:

0 Democrats voted for the tax cuts. You claim Democrats are better and smarter than Republicans, but they sure act the same way.

Because it's bad policy that has been passed twice before and provides no meaningful boost to GDP.

You don't seem to understand that money the wealthy used to pay is going to come out of your pocket. They get representation, you get taxation. Good job.

Please stop posting M.A.G.A, in all of your posts. It's not the point of the boards.

He did not. He initially said several things about the plan that were guaranteed, BEFORE he was elected. Then he changed everything afterwards.

What is wrong with you? Every recent president has done something similar. Every. Single. One.

Since we're using Trump logic now, none of it matters anyway because it was so long ago.

You guys need to find some new material.

I'm waiting...

FitzyXC wrote:

Hey baddude, you want to explain what model of "simple logic" you are using to determine that "Thinks (sic) will trickle down"?

FitzyXC wrote:

A. The argument assumes that because a certain outcome is merely possible, that outcome will result.

OR

B. The argument fails to account for the fact that the extra money could possibly go somewhere other than to the middle class.

Tough choice...both very good answers.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Along with the earlier AT&T news, Comcast announced that the company would award special $1,000 bonuses to more than one hundred thousand eligible frontline and non-executive employees, plus invest $50B in new infrastructure.

Boeing also announced a new $300 million investment initiative, due to tax cuts.

Bancorp, Wells Fargo and others announced they will implement a $15 minimum wage. Imagine that, Trump was able to raise people’s wages without using a government mandate to do it.

M.A.G.A.!!!

The young man who was in some debt went out a got another credit card. He then treated all his friends to an expensive night out on the town. He then bragged to his friends that since he got his new credit card financially he is now doing well.

Moral: A short term infusion of cash, doesn't mean there will not be long term negative financial consequences.

Enjoy your night out, but don't forget to thank your kids.

Cherry Picker Flagpole. Oh, this Senator said something that I like, so I'll post what he said, then it's gospel.

Oh, you (the Right) provided a fact and a reliable link to prove it. Flagpole: I don't do well with facts, look over there, it's a flower:):):):)

Obama LIED to the nth degree on so many things that you'd get lost long before half of them were explained.

Corrupt Hillary is going down.

Trump will continue to reign!

Great Tax Cut Plan as well!

Fagpole will prove once again that his guarantees are pipe dream and his pride will shrink.

Moral: It doesn't mean there won't be either.

In the end, the country will always move left.

Social security, medicare, public schools, civil rights, equal pay acts, gay marriage, transgender rights ...

We will have public college the same as public high school and a public healthcare option at some point.

The Republicans are ecstatic about their tax cuts for the rich they just passed.

But they got greedy and ended the healthcare mandate and haven't done anything to prop up what remains in the ACA.

So when they do lose power (it always changes), Democrats will have the backing to do a whole lot more than Obamacare.

There is more talk for single payer than ever. I know that's not happening anytime soon but the conversation has been pulled far left.

A public option for healthcare will be middle road the next time healthcare is voted on.

L L wrote:

In the end, the country will always move left.

Social security, medicare, public schools, civil rights, equal pay acts, gay marriage, transgender rights ...

We will have public college the same as public high school and a public healthcare option at some point.

The Republicans are ecstatic about their tax cuts for the rich they just passed.

But they got greedy and ended the healthcare mandate and haven't done anything to prop up what remains in the ACA.

So when they do lose power (it always changes), Democrats will have the backing to do a whole lot more than Obamacare.

There is more talk for single payer than ever. I know that's not happening anytime soon but the conversation has been pulled far left.

A public option for healthcare will be middle road the next time healthcare is voted on.

The country won't always move left, but you keep hoping as that's all you have.

It always changes, so then they'd lose power again IF they ever get it back...see what I did there?

Barrack got greedy and started the AHCA, but he didn't know what was in it.

It failed.

People like you benefited as your deductible didn't go up, hence, you liked it.

Trump is making it better for those who suddenly had $5000 deductibles (up from $1200), which doesn't include you.

The Right has the power and changes are happening.

Gagpole was happy with Obama as he bragged that he made him money, wow, that a great barometer to judge a President on.

I've never been happier to see so many disgruntled, sour grapes, whining losers on the left than I am right now.

Enjoy wasting your time on her with your long political rants, you aren't changing anything.

Russian Ads??? What a joke!

The m a g a man wrote:

Cherry Picker Flagpole. Oh, this Senator said something that I like, so I'll post what he said, then it's gospel.

Oh, you (the Right) provided a fact and a reliable link to prove it. Flagpole: I don't do well with facts, look over there, it's a flower:):):):)

Obama LIED to the nth degree on so many things that you'd get lost long before half of them were explained.

Corrupt Hillary is going down.

Trump will continue to reign!

Great Tax Cut Plan as well!

Fagpole will prove once again that his guarantees are pipe dream and his pride will shrink.

1) Not cherry picking at all. Mark Warner is not one to scream and threaten for effect. That he put down some expectations and consequences like that on the Senate floor is very telling.

2) Obama is not the President. Obama wasn't under investigation for colluding with a foreign enemy nation. No politician past or present can hold a candle to the lying of the Orange President.

3) Hillary Clinton is not the President. If Hillary Clinton did something illegal, then she should be held accountable for it. No politician past or present can hold a candle to the lying of the Orange President.

4) The tax cut will benefit me actually both in the short term and in the long term. Yes, I will see a tax reduction, but the main benefit to me is that CEOs have said they will not give money to workers as raises or hire more workers. They will instead, buy back their stock which makes the stock go up. Since I am heavily invested in the stock market, this helps me greatly. Then, when the tax cuts for middle class people and on down expire, I continue to benefit because I am not in the middle class and on down. That said, I don't need that financial help. I have already put myself in a position to be wealthy under the current tax laws. Also, Republicans can NO LONGER say they are the fiscally responsible party as this will add $1.5 trillion to the national debt. Trump had said he would wipe out the national debt in 8 years. Now, that was BS to begin with, but he's now not even going in the right direction. This is not a good thing for America. Talk about further increasing the divide between the haves and the have nots.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

trexxing t wrote:

Trump is making it better for those who suddenly had $5000 deductibles (up from $1200)

Explain this

its_baddude wrote:

It is not true that liberals consistently provide well-research and vetted sources. Liberals provide biased sources (opinionated) with a liberal interpretation of facts.

Elimination of bias in the interpretation of facts is an impossible standard. Eliminating interpretations that rely on "facts" that are contrary to objective evidence is not.

There is a difference between "spin" and "lying". All politicians spin. They may on occasion cross the line into territory that is subjectively lying.

The disturbing thing about Trump is that he has no apparent regard for this distinction and routinely and objectively lies, even about trivial matters, and a great deal of the electorate does not seem to care. It's not clear how democracy ultimately survives if this is normalized.

Consider this scenario ----------------------------- 1) Business A has $ money left over. 2) Business A gives bonus $ to every employee 3) Employee decides to buy a widget 4) Widget factory expands to meet demand and hires more workers 5) More workers now need new widget and pay taxes 6) Tax revenues go up 7) Widget factory expands to meet demand again 8) Repeat. Same principle as money in the bank.

FitzyXC wrote:

I'm waiting...

FitzyXC wrote:

Hey baddude, you want to explain what model of "simple logic" you are using to determine that "Thinks (sic) will trickle down"?

First let me define a lie. A lie is a purposeful untruth. There is a difference between a mistake and a lie. You can read something wrong and repeat it. That is not a lie; It is a false statement. Spin can be a lie. You can interpret something one way or another, but you can't make stuff up on purpose. House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi called the Senate tax bill "the end of the world," "Armageddon," and "stiff competition … [for the] the worst bill in the history of the United States Congress." The worst bill in the history of the United States Congress is spin. Armageddon is a straight up lie. Trump does not lie. He tells it like he sees it. The media constantly lies (not always). You can post anything he says here and we can have pages and pages of debates on the interpretation.

Monkeys typing wrote:

its_baddude wrote:

It is not true that liberals consistently provide well-research and vetted sources. Liberals provide biased sources (opinionated) with a liberal interpretation of facts.

Elimination of bias in the interpretation of facts is an impossible standard. Eliminating interpretations that rely on "facts" that are contrary to objective evidence is not.

There is a difference between "spin" and "lying". All politicians spin. They may on occasion cross the line into territory that is subjectively lying.

The disturbing thing about Trump is that he has no apparent regard for this distinction and routinely and objectively lies, even about trivial matters, and a great deal of the electorate does not seem to care. It's not clear how democracy ultimately survives if this is normalized.

trexxing t wrote:

Russian Ads??? What a joke!

Only fools think Russiagate is about ads. That is a small piece of the puzzle. Conspiracy against the United States. Obstruction of justice. Money laundering.

This is YUGE and will involves many, many people getting indicted. From both parties.

16-17 top prosecutors didn't give up well paying private sector jobs for a nothingburger. They chose country over party.

its_baddude wrote:

Consider this scenario

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1) Business A has $ money left over.

2) Business A gives bonus $ to every employee

3) Employee decides to buy a widget

...

That's the desired result and will happen in some cases.

But step 2 could be - pays down debt or pays out dividends or retains extra money in savings for retirement or to be inherited.

That doesn't produce tax revenue (especially when you get rid of inheritance tax)

And the government is borrowing money to produce step one, which has a cost.

So, what if instead of giving extra money to the owners, you gave it straight to the workers, people with lower wages or who are out of work entirely?

You go straight to step 3 and 100% of that money goes to buying new widgets and producing new tax revenue.

It costs the same but produces more return.

Yes, businesses need capital to get things produced in the first place before they can sell anything but there is no indication that in today's economy there is a lack of capital for investment.

its_baddude wrote:

Trump does not lie. He tells it like he sees it.

A number of psychologists have publicly suggested Trump may be suffering from a delusional disorder, if that's your argument. Maybe it's just me, but a psychotic with nuclear codes isn't reassuring.

The media constantly lies (not always).

I doubt you can support this with any evidence that would convince a neutral party.

You can post anything he says here and we can have pages and pages of debates on the interpretation.

We can certainly agree on your ability to sustain an endless and apparently pointless debate.

its_baddude wrote:

The worst bill in the history of the United States Congress is spin. Armageddon is a straight up lie.

The world just isn't so black-and-white.

Once again, the most well-known parts of the new tax policy have been passed before and did not materially improve GDP, or employment. And then there's the simple fact the rich get a handout that you will be paying for in a few short years. I thought you guys were opposed to free money for doing nothing?

This bill was fiscal irresponsibility according to republicans when it passed.

And then a funny thing happened after passage, Republican Congresspeople spent the money in their districts.

Lies! All lies! Or, not.

its_baddude wrote:Trump does not lie. He tells it like he sees it. The media constantly lies (not always).

Really? You are going with that?

If "the media" includes Fox and briedbard, then I'm cool with that. Every outlet has a spin on facts, and deregulation in the 80's meant it's easier to publish fiction. But, if you want to start making exceptions, then you are just putting a more gentle spin on the old racist conspiracy about who controls media.