Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

ah no. Center.

Arizona Senator Jeff Flake just announced that he won't run for re-election.

So out 52 Republican senators, there are at least 3 who have zero incentive to support any of Trump's policies or ideals.

Flake and Corker are retiring and McCain just doesn't give a damn about Trump.

They'll still vote for things that they believe in which are conservative but they have no pressure to tow the party line for anything they are uncomfortable with or things where Trump can threaten them with a primary challenger.

Tax reform will fail an Trump will have nothing to show for his first year in office and no political capital over anyone.

He's already a lame duck president.

And he becomes more impeachable by the day.

Impeachment takes a simple majority of the House. So 187 Democrats would need 31 Republicans to join them.

Then you need 67 Senators to convict. So 48 Democrats plus 19 Republicans.

And believe me, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, etc. would go along if they had the numbers.

the key question is if this coordinated attack on Trump will build momentum. This week has been a torrent of GOPers attacking the president. Will others step up? Are they doing this on a plan, to try to shift the GOP?

It's also an attack on Bannon to prevent a takeover of the Republican party.

Are the majority of Republicans the DiscoGary types that love Trump disrupting things or are they the silent ones that don't even show up on this thread?

eric a blair wrote:

the key question is if this coordinated attack on Trump will build momentum. This week has been a torrent of GOPers attacking the president. Will others step up? Are they doing this on a plan, to try to shift the GOP?

No momentum against Trump. In fact, these GOP establishment types are being run out of Congress. Luther Strange- out, Corker- out, Jeff Flake- out and this is just the beginning. The message is loud & clear : "Attention GOP, either get on the Trump train or get run out of town."

MAGA!!!

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

the key question is if this coordinated attack on Trump will build momentum. This week has been a torrent of GOPers attacking the president. Will others step up? Are they doing this on a plan, to try to shift the GOP?

No momentum against Trump. In fact, these GOP establishment types are being run out of Congress. Luther Strange- out, Corker- out, Jeff Flake- out and this is just the beginning. The message is loud & clear : "Attention GOP, either get on the Trump train or get run out of town."

MAGA!!!

yeah well that's the question. Have Bannon and Trump turned the GOP from a globalist, ethical, free trade, pro-immigration, deficit hawk party to an isolationist, moral-free, protectionist, anti-immigration party.

We don't know yet.

forgot one: will Trump and bannon turn the GOP into a deficit and debt loving party

eric a blair wrote:

Fake News on the left & right wrote:

Bro, politico as a source....really? That's no different than that turd burglar Disco Gary siting Brietbart (LOL!) as a credible news source. Those are clown sites, bro.

ah no. Center.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politico

Great chain! Benghazi! Blame Obama! Blame JFK!

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Luther Strange- out, Corker- out, Jeff Flake- out and this is just the beginning.

They are all currently in right now. (and Strange was endorsed by Trump, remember and lost in the primary)

They won't be in when their term is up but it remains to be seen who will replace them.

Roy Moore is in a fight for that Alabama seat.

Arizona has a good shot at going Democrat.

Corker may be replaced by another establishment Republican in that primary.

That could be three Democrat pickups right there. Thanks for pointing them out.

L L wrote:

Arizona Senator Jeff Flake just announced that he won't run for re-election.

So out 52 Republican senators, there are at least 3 who have zero incentive to support any of Trump's policies or ideals.

They'll still vote for things that they believe in which are conservative but they have no pressure to tow the party line for anything they are uncomfortable with or things where Trump can threaten them with a primary challenger.

Tax reform will fail an Trump will have nothing to show for his first year in office and no political capital over anyone.

Flake and Corker will grandstand for the press all day about how terrible Trump is, but I've yet to see any evidence that they'll ever step up when it comes to actually DOING something about it. I'm not counting on them to be good for anything.

Quite a few people seem confident that tax "reform" won't happen. I'm not nearly so optimistic. Cutting taxes on their rich friends who buy them fancy wine and then cutting government services for the poors once the deficit explodes is the One True Goal for people like Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell (Flake and Corker, too). Everybody is on board. I think it is quite likely that they will pass something terrible.

Still, I wonder if it wouldn't be better for Trump's longevity if this didn't happen. Congressional Republicans might be less inclined to put up with President Moron once they get their precious tax cuts passed.

In other news, the Trump administration is now censoring scientists and has outsourced the restoration of Puerto Rico's power grid to a tiny firm owned by a Trump donor/Zinke pal for $300 million. Why prioritize the rescue of hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans from their current 18th century existence when you can hook up your friends with some sweet public money?

eric a blair wrote:

forgot one: will Trump and bannon turn the GOP into a deficit and debt loving party

That's the norm for their party.

Bush 43: enormous debt generation

Bush 41: enormous debt generation

Reagan: enormous debt generation

Trump: relive Reagan debt party!

Clinton: generally reduced debt.

Obama: consistently reduced deb, shrank government workforce.

This is using 1 + 1 = 2 math, not Trump math where a few trillion dollars don't matter.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

forgot one: will Trump and bannon turn the GOP into a deficit and debt loving party

That's the norm for their party.

Bush 43: enormous debt generation

Bush 41: enormous debt generation

Reagan: enormous debt generation

Trump: relive Reagan debt party!

Clinton: generally reduced debt.

Obama: consistently reduced deb, shrank government workforce.

This is using 1 + 1 = 2 math, not Trump math where a few trillion dollars don't matter.

Your understanding of the deficit and "debt" is extremely poor. Or, you are just flat out lying. Probably both.

The last time the national debt was actually reduced was 1957. This is a fact. No games, no borrowing to make the numbers look good, etc., so saying "generally reduced the debt" and "consistently reduced debt" is completely false.

Clinton reduced the *deficit* WITH the Republicans controlling Congress (the purse strings). Obama entered the office with $10T of national debt and left with almost $20T of national debt.

You should be banned from this board for spreading fake news. Letsrun mgmt needs to implement better controls.

WTF are you talking about? wrote:

Your understanding of the deficit and "debt" is extremely poor. Or, you are just flat out lying. Probably both.

Or pop_pop is a stubborn, senile dude who repeats himself and doesn't read. Don't bother responding, just ignore him.

WTF are you talking about? wrote:

Your understanding of the deficit and "debt" is extremely poor. Or, you are just flat out lying. Probably both.

The last time the national debt was actually reduced was 1957. This is a fact. No games, no borrowing to make the numbers look good, etc., so saying "generally reduced the debt" and "consistently reduced debt" is completely false.

Clinton reduced the *deficit* WITH the Republicans controlling Congress (the purse strings). Obama entered the office with $10T of national debt and left with almost $20T of national debt.

You should be banned from this board for spreading fake news. Letsrun mgmt needs to implement better controls.

Someone said "debt" when they meant to say "deficit"?! Oh my stars! Help yourself to a cookie, Mr. Fiscal Genius.

Hardloper wrote:

WTF are you talking about? wrote:

Your understanding of the deficit and "debt" is extremely poor. Or, you are just flat out lying. Probably both.

Or pop_pop is a stubborn, senile dude who repeats himself and doesn't read. Don't bother responding, just ignore him.

hey did you guys know hardloper lurks here, using fake names? It's true. Look!

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

WTF are you talking about? wrote:

Your understanding of the deficit and "debt" is extremely poor. Or, you are just flat out lying. Probably both.

The last time the national debt was actually reduced was 1957. This is a fact. No games, no borrowing to make the numbers look good, etc., so saying "generally reduced the debt" and "consistently reduced debt" is completely false.

Clinton reduced the *deficit* WITH the Republicans controlling Congress (the purse strings). Obama entered the office with $10T of national debt and left with almost $20T of national debt.

You should be banned from this board for spreading fake news. Letsrun mgmt needs to implement better controls.

Someone said "debt" when they meant to say "deficit"?! Oh my stars! Help yourself to a cookie, Mr. Fiscal Genius.

Oh yeah, surely it’s just a typo. Great example of the Left rationalizing their stupidity. He clearly doesnt know what he’s talking about. Are you really defending that?

JagAss- here are Obama’s deficits:

“FY 2017 - TBD (added as final year placeholder)

FY 2016 - $1.423 trillion.

FY 2015 - $327 billion.

FY 2014 - $1.086 trillion.

FY 2013 - $672 billion.

FY 2012 - $1.276 trillion.

FY 2011 - $1.229 trillion.

FY 2010 - $1.652 trillion.

FY 2009 - $253 billion. (Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion in FY 2009. This rare occurrence should be added to President Obama's contribution to the debt.)”

Would you call that “generally reducing” anything (deficit, debt, or any other financial term the guy clearly doesn’t understand)? What are you guys on?!

The 90s were a great combination of several things at once:

Internet boom (jobs and wealth being created out of thin air- completely new industry),

Tech stock bubble,

Capital gains cut,

Very little foreign war/occupations,

Welfare Reform

And they STILL couldn’t reduce the National debt in any given year. I doubt it’ll happen in my lifetime.

I see why you have a bad reputation on this board. One more time, I posted what she said and what trump said. Prove to me how Trump lied. Is it because you believe her and not him? Is that proof? John Kelly did not tell Trump to say exactly that. Are you in an alternate reality?

Fox News claims to be fair and balanced! Please stop posting nonsense.

eric a blair wrote:

Fake News on the left & right wrote:

Bro, politico as a source....really? That's no different than that turd burglar Disco Gary siting Brietbart (LOL!) as a credible news source. Those are clown sites, bro.

ah no. Center.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politico

Great Post! Explain exactly what Clinton did to reduce the debt. Explain how Obama consistently reduced deb, shrank government workforce. Explain how the debt increased 9 trillion dollars during the Obama adminstration. Explain how Obama's 2011 military spending broke the all time record. Explain the effect of Obama's policies on future debt.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

eric a blair wrote:

forgot one: will Trump and bannon turn the GOP into a deficit and debt loving party

That's the norm for their party.

Bush 43: enormous debt generation

Bush 41: enormous debt generation

Reagan: enormous debt generation

Trump: relive Reagan debt party!

Clinton: generally reduced debt.

Obama: consistently reduced deb, shrank government workforce.

This is using 1 + 1 = 2 math, not Trump math where a few trillion dollars don't matter.