pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
We need all four years of the Idiot in Chief, though. Pence is far worse.
Dude, Pence is a religious idiot, but he is not worse than Trump, not even close. Donald Trump may actually be the devil.
And, even if you think so (you can not be serious), you should still want Trump out and Pence in before the next election, because Pence can't whip up the kind of fervor that Trump can...people won't be voting for the first time in decades for Pence.
Flagpole wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
We need all four years of the Idiot in Chief, though. Pence is far worse.
Dude, Pence is a religious idiot, but he is not worse than Trump, not even close. Donald Trump may actually be the devil.
And, even if you think so (you can not be serious), you should still want Trump out and Pence in before the next election, because Pence can't whip up the kind of fervor that Trump can...people won't be voting for the first time in decades for Pence.
excellent point that Pence has a lower chance of being reelected than Trump
L L wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
The Dems need a much different, much better game plan to win.
No. They need to just not run Hillary again.
She was perfectly qualified but there were years of negative campaigning against her plus her lack of charisma.
I'd agree except for the simple fact Democrats lost very bigly all the way down the general election ballot.
Flagpole wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
We need all four years of the Idiot in Chief, though. Pence is far worse.
Dude, Pence is a religious idiot, but he is not worse than Trump, not even close. Donald Trump may actually be the devil.
No. Pence actually was in Congress and has some inkling of how the system works and is constantly supporting Theocratic and racist policies. We need as ineffectual an idiot as possible. Trump is that guy.
After racists killed people, “I’m someone who believes in more monuments, not less monuments. What we ought to do is we ought to remember our history,” he began. Monuments, he then argued, served to “celebrate the progress that we’ve made since that history.”
How did Carrier jobs turn out?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-radical-crusade-of-mike-pence-w462223pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
L L wrote:
No. They need to just not run Hillary again.
She was perfectly qualified but there were years of negative campaigning against her plus her lack of charisma.
I'd agree except for the simple fact Democrats lost very bigly all the way down the general election ballot.
Democrats picked up 6 seats in the House and 2 seats in the Senate in 2016.
Yes, they still lost more than they won but people come out for presidential voting and usually vote the same down the ballot.
Trump voters were fired up. Many voters who would have voted for a stronger Democrat presidential candidate stayed home.
eric a blair wrote:
as for mark Cuban...can you imagine a major party jewish candidate? The alt right would go into shudders and shakes, their tiki torches would be shuffling in their hands..the Russian trolls, knowing a thing or two about anti-Semitism, would work 24-7 and with much success at starting pogroms and hate.
Seriously. I really hope no Jews run for president or VP...it would be a nightmare.
No more feelin' the Bern, then. He's Jewish.
Hmm, the media doesn’t seem to care about Russian collusion anymore now that it involves Hillary, Obama, and Uranium.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Hmm, the media doesn’t seem to care about Russian collusion anymore now that it involves Hillary, Obama, and Uranium.
Good thing ifnowares is such a reliable source of facts.
Trump spars with widow of slain soldier about condolence call
Amazing. Not only did he successfully dig himself a 10m deep hole violating the most sacred political symbol there is, he keeps shoveling.
Tired of winning, yet?
Trump has gone after a Muslim family of a dead soldier (Capt. Humayun Khan) and now a black family of a dead soldier.
But feels that the NFL athletes are disrespecting the military.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Trump spars with widow of slain soldier about condolence call
Amazing. Not only did he successfully dig himself a 10m deep hole violating the most sacred political symbol there is, he keeps shoveling.
Tired of winning, yet?
Trump made four calls to grieving families of fallen soldiers. Only 1- Myeshia Johnson claims he was less than professional & caring (who happens to be friends with a race baiting Trump hater, Congresswoman Wilson).
You libs conveniently ignore the other African American widow who was thrilled with his call.
MAGA!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/20/politics/soldier-widow-shares-story-of-trump-call/index.html
At this point it's not about whether the widow was thrilled with his call but the fact that Trump is basically attacking this widow right now and calling her a liar.
Really low class.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Trump made four calls to grieving families of fallen soldiers. Only 1- Myeshia Johnson claims he was less than professional & caring (who happens to be friends with a race baiting Trump hater, Congresswoman Wilson).
Whatever dude.
Here is how it went down:
1) Kelly advised Trump what to say to this widow.
2) Trump used most of the words that Kelly told him to say, but he didn't do so in the most artful way (because he lacks empathy to be able to do that), and the widow and the Congresswoman who was there were both offended.
3) The Congresswoman makes public what Trump said.
4) Trump denied he said it (lie).
5) Kelly confirms that he told Trump basically to say what he was accused of saying, but Kelly gave it more reference and so it didn't sound bad coming from him. This is proof that Trump lied about saying it to begin with.
What went wrong:
1) Trump making a call to families of fallen soldiers. Trump has all the cuddly warmth of a porcupine. He is incapable of performing this particular duty (and a whole lot of other ones) to a level that is required.
2) Congresswoman should not have made it public. I agree that that should be a private moment, and while it is fine with me if the widow allowed her to listen, it was bad form to make it public. While she had a right to get mad, this is a minor thing compared to what other things Trump has done and will do right out in the open, so this should have stayed under her stupid hat.
3) Trump lying about saying it. He later had Kelly come out and confirm that that is exactly what he told Trump to say. Again, Trump isn't smart enough to understand nuance or empathetic enough (or not at all) to make that call effectively.
4) Kelly lying about what the Congresswoman had said in the past (confirmed by video of her NOT doing what he said she did).
What should have happened:
1) Trump shouldn't have called her at all...send a letter that is crafted by a wordsmith that he then signs.
2) Congresswoman shouldn't have made it public.
3) Trump should have said, "Yes, that is what I said, but I didn't mean to offend. I was trying to let her know much gratitude the country and I have for his service, and I was trying to get across to her that he died a hero, doing what he loved, what he felt called to do. I am sorry if I have caused any pain. I certainly didn't mean any disrespect." BUT, Trump is actually incapable of such thought and action.
4) Kelly should not have lied about the Congresswoman.
What should happen in the future:
1) Trump should not call families of fallen soldiers. Doesn't matter if a few of them said he did fine. This is not something at which he is skilled.
L L wrote:
At this point it's not about whether the widow was thrilled with his call but the fact that Trump is basically attacking this widow right now and calling her a liar.
Really low class.
Why would he call the widow and then be mean to her? Makes no sense whatsoever and it's nothing but manufactured lib bullshit. If she's grieving so much, why is she going on talk shows and getting paid?
Rep. Wilson is a joke. She slandered Trump & John Kelly and used the widow of a slain soldier for publicity and notoriety.
Wilson who obviously has already been on an anti-Trump jihad. This whole thing reeks of a setup to try (and fail) to paint Trump as being anti-vet. But let's take a look at her voting record for veterans:
https://heavy.com/news/2017/10/frederica-wilson-voting-record-veterans-democrat/
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
L L wrote:
At this point it's not about whether the widow was thrilled with his call but the fact that Trump is basically attacking this widow right now and calling her a liar.
Really low class.
Why would he call the widow and then be mean to her? Makes no sense whatsoever and it's nothing but manufactured lib bullshit. If she's grieving so much, why is she going on talk shows and getting paid?
Why does Trump do any of the stupid stuff he does? Most of us have been trying to figure that out for 9 months now. Welcome to the club.
Monkeys typing wrote:
its_baddude wrote:
Can you show me proof that Trump lied?
Would it matter to you?
+1 it really doesn't matter to him.
Oddly enough Trump's daughter-in-law in Trump's defense implicates him as a liar.
https://thinkprogress.org/there-is-a-transcript-of-trumps-controversial-call-to-sgt-johnsons-widow-lara-trump-reveals-61faf4d76b95/foo wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Why would he call the widow and then be mean to her? Makes no sense whatsoever and it's nothing but manufactured lib bullshit. If she's grieving so much, why is she going on talk shows and getting paid?
Why does Trump do any of the stupid stuff he does? Most of us have been trying to figure that out for 9 months now. Welcome to the club.
Obama was the king of stupid. He traded 5 terrorists for a deserter.
Here is how a president is supposed to respond to a sad or grieving family member of a soldier who says mean things to him
http://dailysignal.com/2015/04/21/why-george-w-bush-let-a-soldiers-mom-yell-at-him/
A mom of a dying soldier was yelling at W Bush and asking why her son was dying and not his because of his decisions and Bush took it like a man.
"But as the helicopter took off, the president looked at me and said, “That mama sure was mad at me.” Then he turned to look out the window of the helicopter. “And I don’t blame her a bit.”"