Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Conundrum wrote:

The Trump people should have been repeatedly confronted and humiliated by the lies. Dan Rather, Sam Donaldson, Mike Wallace, to name a few would not have put up with it.

This sounds good, but the problem is that Trump, enabled by his goons (especially Kellyanne Conway and Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders) is not humiliated by telling lies. He twists and turns and just tells himself that everything he says is true, and he isn't swayed by facts.

So, the lies don't stop, but the press has done a VERY good job in my opinion of pointing out the lies. CNN does a relentless job of this from Anderson Cooper to Jake Tapper to Don Lemon. Jonathan Karl does a great job for ABC as does George Stephanopoulis. The Washington Post and the New York Times have kept their thumb on Trump the whole time. And, then when you head over to Fox News, credit to Chris Wallace and Shephard Smith who don't put up with crap from the White House. Wallace frequently has to reprimand the Fox and Friends trio for being Trump's b!tch (which they are). Many other less-famous reporters have taken Huckabee Sanders to task at those White House briefings. MSNBC is too giddy and smug for my taste, but Rachel Maddow and Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski in the morning rip him a new one daily (not in a traditionally professional way).

Even if we accept your premise that the vast majority of police will lie or defend their partner, that is meaningless unless their partner is willing to rob, beat, or steal. What percentage of police are willing to do that?

Ta-Nehisi Coates makes that point pretty effectively:

Before Barack Obama, n*****s could be manufactured out of Sister Souljahs, Willie Hortons, and Dusky Sallys. But Donald Trump arrived in the wake of something more potent—an entire n****r presidency with n****r health care, n****r climate accords, and n***r justice reform, all of which could be targeted for destruction or redemption, thus reifying the idea of being white. Trump truly is something new—the first president whose entire political existence hinges on the fact of a black president.

Pookie Washington wrote:

Count Chocula wrote:

Even if we accept your premise that the vast majority of police will lie or defend their partner, that is meaningless unless their partner is willing to rob, beat, or steal. What percentage of police are willing to do that?

No that's where you are wrong!!!!!! If a cop lies to defend their partner he is no better than the cop who rob's, beats and steals. Do you realize those false resisting arrest charges send innocent people to jail? Yes both cops would be just as guilty.

I think you misunderstood me. What percentage of police are put in a situation where they have to lie/defend their partner, who is responsible for robbing, beating, or stealing from someone?

Suppose I hated elephants and said I would kill any one that I see in the wild. If I never go to Africa or Asia, does it really matter how I would act in that hypothetical situation? Am I still guilty?

More fraudulent claims of charitable giving.

"Through interviews and examinations of publicly available documents, here's what NPR has found:

Seventeen organizations listed on the Trump National website said that they could not find any record of a donation from the golf club.

Several organizations listed on the website are not charities at all. The list includes a city government, a state agency and a branch of the U.S. military.

Most organizations received small contributions from the golf club, including donations of $140. Most of the contributions to organizations on the list were not in the form of cash but in-kind donations, like a gift certificate for a round of golf or "Sunday brunch for two."

In the end, NPR was able to confirm only about $800,000 in donations, less than one-fifth of what was claimed."

http://www.npr.org/2017/10/18/558352411/a-trump-golf-course-said-it-gave-millions-to-charity-heres-what-the-numbers-say

Count Chocula wrote:

Pookie Washington wrote:

No that's where you are wrong!!!!!! If a cop lies to defend their partner he is no better than the cop who rob's, beats and steals. Do you realize those false resisting arrest charges send innocent people to jail? Yes both cops would be just as guilty.

I think you misunderstood me. What percentage of police are put in a situation where they have to lie/defend their partner, who is responsible for robbing, beating, or stealing from someone?

Suppose I hated elephants and said I would kill any one that I see in the wild. If I never go to Africa or Asia, does it really matter how I would act in that hypothetical situation? Am I still guilty?

WOW, your ignorance is astounding. In black neighborhoods it happens EVERYDAY. That is the lens through which we see the police.

I think the media has done well exposing lies in their coverage. However I think they have been very tepid and ineffectual in their face to face interactions. I get frustrated when I hear what sara Huckabee gets away with during press conferences.News people used to have much more gravitas and wouldn't get bulled over so easily. Jake Trapped and Anderson Cooper and Chris Wallace are heavy weights. Chuck Todd and most of the rest are light weights.

Conundrum wrote:

I think the media has done well exposing lies in their coverage. However I think they have been very tepid and ineffectual in their face to face interactions. I get frustrated when I hear what sara Huckabee gets away with during press conferences.

News people used to have much more gravitas and wouldn't get bulled over so easily. Jake Trapped and Anderson Cooper and Chris Wallace are heavy weights. Chuck Todd and most of the rest are light weights.

I guess we will have to disagree. I don't see them as being bullied at all. Reporters can't make a Press Secretary say a certain thing, and she is given the task of defending the often indefensible. She says stuff, they challenge her on it, and then she says more stuff and moves to the next question. They then all write how nuts the information is that comes out of the White House. The only regular national news people that cowtow to Trump is the ridiculous Fox and Friends and Hannity and Tucker Carlson. Others on Fox and every other news media in the country rips Trump pretty much 24/7. I don't think rather or Donaldson or anyone else from the past could do any better...it's even hard to focus on one thing this idiot does because he doesn't something else the very next day. The media is on him like stink on a monkey.

We do disagree on that. TV news reporters used to be the only act in town and the jobs were highly competitive. They were stars who could command attention and respect. I believe its different now and the Trump people get away with stuff they wouldn't have. Obviously I have no proof but it was different.

I am not a financial guy but boy this seems like a very dangerous and damaging thing to say:

"Steven Mnuchin has a stern warning for Congress: You could blow up the stock market if you fail to cut taxes."

Boy that would be a self fulfilling prophesy if a tax plan didn't pass!

Chuck Todd and Don Lemon are certainly not light weights. I see them repeatedly calling out interviewees who make fallacious assertions.

One thing I’ve noticed is that the press has become more aggressive at calling out lies since the election. I think as a whole they probably feel they should have done a better job before the election.

You seem like a well intention good guy but that doesn't mean you are not a bigot. This is the case with bigots. Any behavior in the hated group that confirms their bigoted view jumps out to them. All bigots can name a whole bunch of personal anecdotes that they say validates their perception of almost every one in that hated group.They tend to gloss over all the incidences of behavior that are contrary to that view.To be honest, your casting the net over almost all police as being evil, is not fair to them and really adds to the danger element.I guess we disagree on this.

As soon as I call you out for your “selective outrage” you high tail it over to another thread to express your “outrage.” You are so easy to control my little libbbtwat puppet.😆Your name from this day forward will be “Little Puppet.”Libbbtwats are such pieces of $hit😂

he's not just a good man, he's a GREAT man.

i think we need a bigger flag pin!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-offered-a-grieving-military-father-25000-in-a-call-but-didnt-follow-through/2017/10/18/8d4cbc8c-b43a-11e7-be94-fabb0f1e9ffb_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_goldstar-410pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.bf922dacf174

Slapakracker wrote:

Count Chocula wrote:

I think you misunderstood me. What percentage of police are put in a situation where they have to lie/defend their partner, who is responsible for robbing, beating, or stealing from someone?

Suppose I hated elephants and said I would kill any one that I see in the wild. If I never go to Africa or Asia, does it really matter how I would act in that hypothetical situation? Am I still guilty?

WOW, your ignorance is astounding. In black neighborhoods it happens EVERYDAY. That is the lens through which we see the police.

I'm not disputing that this happens in black neighborhoods every day. I'm disputing the claim that almost all police officers are crooked. Are almost all police officers in the country present in black neighborhoods on a daily basis? Unless that is the case, that argument does not hold.

I support efforts to change the behavior of police towards blacks, but I don't agree that the way to affect this change is to make blanket statements about police officers. That kind of rhetoric is not productive.

I'll stick by what I said, as long as you don't use all the vulgar hate speech toward others I won't destroy you.If you direct the hate toward mostly me, you are are safe. I handle the other poster much differently because I have respect for him.

Yes lil puppet, it is evident to everyone, including yourself...that you are a piece of $hit. You can’t dispute that. You can’t even try😂 it is impossible to argue otherwise😂😆😂😆❗️You 👌🏿But you are not alone, ALL LIBBBTWATS ARE PIECES OF $HIT ❗️😆Glad that all you pieces of $hit “respect” each other. Those of who are not pieces of $hit have zero respect for you smelly pieces of $hit👎Lil puppet, you are most certainly a piece of $hit something else we both 100% agree on😎🇺🇸

its worse wrote:

I'll stick by what I said, as long as you don't use all the vulgar hate speech toward others I won't destroy you.

If you direct the hate toward mostly me, you are are safe.

I handle the other poster much differently because I have respect for him.

DRINK F*** FIGHT wrote:

As soon as I call you out for your “selective outrage” you high tail it over to another thread to express your “outrage.” You are so easy to control my little libbbtwat puppet.😆

Your name from this day forward will be “Little Puppet.”

Libbbtwats are such pieces of $hit😂

DFF you don't learn. But I am going to give you a pass because I did trigger you with the respect comment.

However this is a warning. If you continue vulgar hate speech toward any group I will smack you down hard again. Remember what it was like? I got you hard with truth.

But you can express any name calling or hate toward me. I am ok with that.

Your past vulgar hate posts toward gays and women and other groups needed to stop.

The only thing getting smacked is your a$$ when your gay uncle is pounding it you fruity fagG0t❗️😆

Just because you identify as a “women” doesn’t make you one you POS😂

Stick around twat, humiliating you on a daily basis is all to easy.