foo wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:... and they have every right to do so. Don't you agree?
Given they have all the required permits, yes they certainly do.
But, they do not have the right to attack and kill those who are legally counter-protesting.
Except that Antifa & BLM did not have any permits for Charlottesville.
DiscoGary wrote:
Long ago I studied how genocides occur and the process goes something like this:
1. A group is demonized, but no one takes it seriously.
2. The demonization keeps growing and hatred for the target group grows with it.
3. The target group starts getting blamed for all the problems in society. The target group is distrusted.
4. The target group can not fix the problems because they are not causing them, so the demonization and hatred continues to grow.
... now things get really bad ...
5. The target group is so hated that no one will defend them for fear of being cast into the same "basket" as the targets.
6. The police stop defending them. Violence against them is tacitly approved.
7. Laws are written explicitly putting them at a disadvantage.
8. People are getting SO tired of having to tolerate the target group. Why do we have to live with this? They are SO evil! For God's sake why can't we solve this problem once and for all!?
... and then ...
9. A trigger event occurs and the people finally decide that it is time to solve societies problem. It is time to execute the final solution and get rid of the target group.
10.. All Hell breaks loose.
We have been at stage 8 for over a year now. The question is, did 9 just occur? Many on the left are telling me it has.
yeah,. we're about to round up Christian rightists .
It's gonna happen. The republicans who control the house, senate, WH and Supreme Court will encourage it. Just wait. Hey Gary maybe you should hold your breath. Or make a bet.
eric a blair wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:Long ago I studied how genocides occur and the process goes something like this:
1. A group is demonized, but no one takes it seriously.
2. The demonization keeps growing and hatred for the target group grows with it.
3. The target group starts getting blamed for all the problems in society. The target group is distrusted.
4. The target group can not fix the problems because they are not causing them, so the demonization and hatred continues to grow.
... now things get really bad ...
5. The target group is so hated that no one will defend them for fear of being cast into the same "basket" as the targets.
6. The police stop defending them. Violence against them is tacitly approved.
7. Laws are written explicitly putting them at a disadvantage.
8. People are getting SO tired of having to tolerate the target group. Why do we have to live with this? They are SO evil! For God's sake why can't we solve this problem once and for all!?
... and then ...
9. A trigger event occurs and the people finally decide that it is time to solve societies problem. It is time to execute the final solution and get rid of the target group.
10.. All Hell breaks loose.
We have been at stage 8 for over a year now. The question is, did 9 just occur? Many on the left are telling me it has.
yeah,. we're about to round up Christian rightists .
It's gonna happen. The republicans who control the house, senate, WH and Supreme Court will encourage it. Just wait. Hey Gary maybe you should hold your breath. Or make a bet.
Sure. I bet that these white nationalists will have another legal rally and that Democrats will show up to beat them into silence. Any takers?
Maybe we should have aside bet on whether or not the police will defend the white guys this time.
Was it Lennin who said "Kill one, intimidate a thousand" or something like that? If these guys get silenced through violence, then the message will sent and the country will be less free than we are today.
DiscoGary wrote:
eric a blair wrote:yeah,. we're about to round up Christian rightists .
It's gonna happen. The republicans who control the house, senate, WH and Supreme Court will encourage it. Just wait. Hey Gary maybe you should hold your breath. Or make a bet.
Sure. I bet that these white nationalists will have another legal rally and that Democrats will show up to beat them into silence. Any takers?
Maybe we should have aside bet on whether or not the police will defend the white guys this time.
Was it Lennin who said "Kill one, intimidate a thousand" or something like that? If these guys get silenced through violence, then the message will sent and the country will be less free than we are today.
again, the only fights (to my knowledge) were with the rightists who came with shields and sticks looking for a fight. You can't think that those guys, the good old boys were victims. They wanted a fight.
These guys, the ones with torches, were unpunched, as far as I know.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=Hj8xqMJO&id=3C75753D101181CDDA80537318784C59C6DAC391&thid=OIF.3rnVZ4cCOp%2brYCIzQrFwrg&q=tiki+torch+charlottesville&simid=80087315000&selectedIndex=4&ajaxhist=0Democrats are wonderful, mostly cisgendered people.
foo wrote:
Because the white nationalist rally went so well last weekend, they are scheduling 9 more this coming weekend:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/us/white-nationalists-protests-tally-trnd/index.html
The so-called "March on Google" is not a "white nationalist" protest. CNN and people like you want it to be, of course, and they might succeed in making it one. (Or at least they need to make it sound that way so the "anti" fascists show up.) Sad how phony and predictable this has become.
DiscoGary wrote:
All the violence is coming from the left.
Surely you are not that dense. A white nationalist killed a woman at a rally on Saturday. That didn't come from the left.
Of course, you defended the terrorist so maybe you really are that dense. Maybe you think murder doesn't count as violence?
eric a blair wrote:
yeah,. we're about to round up Christian rightists .
It's gonna happen. The republicans who control the house, senate, WH and Supreme Court will encourage it. Just wait. Hey Gary maybe you should hold your breath. Or make a bet.
These are not Christians, eric. These are the people who, on Friday, carried torches and surrounded a church full of Christian ministers who were there to pray. Then they started chanting Nazi slogans.
The alt-right is anti-Christian.
HardLoper wrote:
foo wrote:Because the white nationalist rally went so well last weekend, they are scheduling 9 more this coming weekend:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/us/white-nationalists-protests-tally-trnd/index.htmlThe so-called "March on Google" is not a "white nationalist" protest. CNN and people like you want it to be, of course, and they might succeed in making it one. (Or at least they need to make it sound that way so the "anti" fascists show up.) Sad how phony and predictable this has become.
Is that a snowflake on his helmet?
Nice strawman.
We are talking about the upcoming weekend and you change the topic to last weekend. But, ignoring your attempt to change the subject, counterprotestors actually had 2 permits last weekend:
foo wrote:
Nice strawman.
We are talking about the upcoming weekend and you change the topic to last weekend. But, ignoring your attempt to change the subject, counterprotestors actually had 2 permits last weekend:
http://www.nbc29.com/story/36099395/city-of-charlottesville-grants-two-permits-for-counterprotests-of-unite-the-right
Wrong. The permits were issued for McGuffey Park, not for the city streets. Antifa & BLM were in the city streets in direct violation of the permit. Try again.
very cool that so many major corporations have pushed back publically against the idiot in chief.
Walmart, under armor, intel, merck, all slamming the guy who has to think about criticizing Nazis.
Nice. That's how it's supposed to work.
Another example of norms holding.
Appropriate words today from the President of the Red States of America. Please, Red State President, take away Romneycare so I can pay more for healthcare!
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/trump-charlottesville-latest/index.html
Foo fighter wrote:
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Wrong. The permits were issued for McGuffey Park, not for the city streets. Antifa & BLM were in the city streets in direct violation of the permit. Try again.
This seems like a small thing but it isn't. Most people don't know this but when you get a permit to protest, the area you are allowed to march through and occupy is very specific. When I helped organize Tea Party rallies we could be in a square, but NOT stand on the sidewalk next to it. If people started to gather on the sidewalks, the cops would ask us to clear off and make way for pedestrians. We obeyed. That's how lawful protests are conducted by civilized people.
Compare that to the Occupy movement, BLM protests, or the latest Antifa rioting. They are CONSTANTLY breaking laws, but then, laws don't apply when you are sufficiently outraged right? Can you imagine the cops asking Antifa to "please clear the sidewalks for pedestrians"?
The left is lawless and uncivilized.
Trump: I couldn't make a statement without all the facts
That never stopped him before.
This is Antifa, the hate group that libs refuse to condemn.
Antifa's goal is to "smash fascism in all its forms". Of course, this angers fascists like you to no end.
Foo fighter wrote: This is Antifa, the hate group that libs refuse to condemn.
DiscoGary wrote:
Foo fighter wrote:...
Wrong. The permits were issued for McGuffey Park, not for the city streets. Antifa & BLM were in the city streets in direct violation of the permit. Try again.
This seems like a small thing but it isn't. Most people don't know this but when you get a permit to protest, the area you are allowed to march through and occupy is very specific. When I helped organize Tea Party rallies we could be in a square, but NOT stand on the sidewalk next to it. If people started to gather on the sidewalks, the cops would ask us to clear off and make way for pedestrians. We obeyed. That's how lawful protests are conducted by civilized people.
Compare that to the Occupy movement, BLM protests, or the latest Antifa rioting. They are CONSTANTLY breaking laws, but then, laws don't apply when you are sufficiently outraged right? Can you imagine the cops asking Antifa to "please clear the sidewalks for pedestrians"?
The left is lawless and uncivilized.
Despite the police chief in Charlottesville denying that the cops were told to stand down, I still feel that some of the blame falls on him. He failed to enforce the permits. Had the police put up physical barriers to prevent Antifa & BLM interfering with the white power protesters, perhaps this senseless death would have been prevented.
Fight the Foo-foo wrote:
Antifa's goal is to "smash fascism in all its forms". Of course, this angers fascists like you to no end.
Foo fighter wrote: This is Antifa, the hate group that libs refuse to condemn.
0/10
Foo fighter wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:This seems like a small thing but it isn't. Most people don't know this but when you get a permit to protest, the area you are allowed to march through and occupy is very specific. When I helped organize Tea Party rallies we could be in a square, but NOT stand on the sidewalk next to it. If people started to gather on the sidewalks, the cops would ask us to clear off and make way for pedestrians. We obeyed. That's how lawful protests are conducted by civilized people.
Compare that to the Occupy movement, BLM protests, or the latest Antifa rioting. They are CONSTANTLY breaking laws, but then, laws don't apply when you are sufficiently outraged right? Can you imagine the cops asking Antifa to "please clear the sidewalks for pedestrians"?
The left is lawless and uncivilized.
Despite the police chief in Charlottesville denying that the cops were told to stand down, I still feel that some of the blame falls on him. He failed to enforce the permits. Had the police put up physical barriers to prevent Antifa & BLM interfering with the white power protesters, perhaps this senseless death would have been prevented.
Yep. Investigate the mayor and police chief to see if they got any money to get out of the way and let the violence play out. Also, there is word that the Unite the Right people were forced to walk a gauntlet of Antifa to get to the protest site, and then forced to walk the same gauntlet after the rally was cancelled guaranteeing extra violence. This is not the result of stupidity or incompetence. Someone WANTED this to happen. They wanted violence and death, and they got it. We are all being played, Alinsky style. Everyone should try to absorb that.
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