Trumpettes are NOT Americans!
Trumpettes are NOT Americans!
DiscoGary wrote:
Right. No one paid the price. Yet it happened and Lerner even apologized for targeting Tea Party groups.
The FBI stated it found no evidence of "enemy hunting" of the kind that had been suspected, but that the investigation did reveal the IRS to be a mismanaged bureaucracy enforcing rules that IRS personnel did not fully understand.
DiscoGary wrote:
Obama was not held accountable for any of his corruption.
Can't squeeze water from a stone.
DiscoGary wrote:
Hillary would not have been held accountable either.
Because Congress never had the balls to issue any Articles of Impeachment against any other Clintons previously. Right?
DiscoGary wrote:
This is why it was so important to defeat Hillary. To stop the rampant abuse of power by Democrats. Democrats are not held accountable, so we get bad government from them. Simple stuff.
You do not live in the real world. If a Democrat, especially Obama or Clinton, had been fractionally bad as Trump has been, this GOP-led Congress would have drawn up impeachment by this point.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-06-13/he-voted-to-impeach-clinton-this-looks-biggerDiscoGary wrote:
That is where you are clearly wrong and why so many conservatives turned on the Republican party. You would have lost a lot of money betting on Republicans fighting Obama.
This is why Merrick Garland is on the US Supreme Court.
This is why comprehensive immigration reform was passed under Obama's tenure.
This is why Congress passed gun control legislation passed under the Obama Administration.
DiscoGary wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:So you admit that Obama did nothing wrong but he needs to be held accountable anyway?
No one was held accountable. That's my point.
You said Obama "weaponized the Federal government". But you admit that Obama did nothing wrong. So which is it?
Jeff Wigand wrote:
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but that the investigation did reveal the IRS to be a mismanaged bureaucracy enforcing rules that IRS personnel did not fully understand.
Right! Hundreds of Tea Party activist groups had their certifications delayed for years, straight through a hotly contested election year... and it was no one's fault!!! Just a minor SNAFU by low level employees, which just happened to stifle the voices of the President's political opposition while he was fighting for re-election. No one was held accountable, and no one paid the price. Move along.
You guys keep making my point.
How would this story had played out if Bush or Trump had done the same thing to liberal groups? This is where intellectual integrity comes in. You should be able to see that it would have been an explosive story which would have ended in impeachment proceedings. But you can't see it, and that's why there really can be no intelligent discussion with liberals. You're just too blinded by partisanship to hold up your end of the dialogue.
reminder that something like 76% of Americans generally trust the national news organizations.
don't believe trump and his kidz when they tell you no one trusts mainstream news anymore.
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:No one was held accountable. That's my point.
You said Obama "weaponized the Federal government". But you admit that Obama did nothing wrong. So which is it?
If you think Obama had nothing to do with the IRS Tea Party scandal then you are a fool.
Fat hurts wrote:
One week of ratings is meaningless. That's especially true in the summer time when overall TV viewership plummets.
This is CNN wrote:I have posting for years using this same handle. Unlike you, I don't switch handles after your girl lost to Trump. I'm going with the most recent (weekly) ratings, not from last month or earlier. CNN is taking a nose dive.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/340812-political-news-rules-basic-cable-ratings-with-fox-news-and-msnbc-beating-outhttp://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-loses-primetime-weekly-ratings-battle-tlc-nick-at-nite/
Lame excuses, CNN is tanking.
DiscoGary wrote:
If you think Obama had nothing to do with the IRS Tea Party scandal then you are a fool.
please cite your evidence that Obama had something to do with it. You've had completed FBI and congressional investigations, so I'm sure you'll be able to cite it for us. I'll wait. Go ahead. Show it to us. show your evidence that Obama was part of it.
reminder that the IRS thing has been investigated to death and it's nothing like what Gary has been describing. Or lying. B/c Gary is a degenerate liar and a troll.
From Wikipedidia:
FBI investigation[edit]
In January 2014, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced that it had found no evidence warranting the filing of federal criminal charges in connection with the affair. The FBI stated it found no evidence of "enemy hunting" of the kind that had been suspected, but that the investigation did reveal the IRS to be a mismanaged bureaucracy enforcing rules that IRS personnel did not fully understand. The officials indicated, however, that the investigation is continuing.[155][156][157][158]
DOJ investigation[edit]
In October 2015, the Justice Department notified Congress that there would be no charges against the former IRS official Lois Lerner or against anyone else in the IRS. The investigation found no evidence of illegal activity or the partisan targeting of political groups and found that no IRS official attempted to obstruct justice. The DOJ investigation did find evidence of mismanagement and Lerner's poor judgement in using her IRS account for personal messages but said "...poor management is not a crime."[159][160][161]
DiscoGary wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:...
but that the investigation did reveal the IRS to be a mismanaged bureaucracy enforcing rules that IRS personnel did not fully understand.
Right! Hundreds of Tea Party activist groups had their certifications delayed for years, straight through a hotly contested election year... and it was no one's fault!!! Just a minor SNAFU by low level employees, which just happened to stifle the voices of the President's political opposition while he was fighting for re-election. No one was held accountable, and no one paid the price. Move along.
Well, that is what happened. It truly did turn out to be a minor SNAFU by low level employees. And, btw, some liberal groups had their certifications delayed as well.
Nobody paid a price because there was no price to be paid. Nobody can even figure out if any harm was done. The fact is, all these groups went on operating as usual. They weren't even required to get 501(c)(4) certifications in the first place. It was an optional thing.
This truly was a scandal about nothing.
But to Lyin' Gary it was an example of Obama corruption even though Obama had nothing to do with it.
Wow. About four new pages of postings hit this thread without any news.
Much of it about Hillary who has been irrelevant for some time.
So Trump "pessed" Putin about election meddling, allegedly according to Tillerson.
"The president pressed Putin, on multiple occasions -- Putin denied involvement, as I believe he has done in the past," Tillerson said in an off-camera briefing with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.
“The two agreed this was a substantial hindrance to the ability to move the Russian, U.S. relationship forward,†Tillerson said.
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Trump - :Puty, did you mess with our election?" (wink, wink)
Putin - "no"
Trump - "OK, good enough for me. Let's move on."
eric a blair wrote:
reminder that the IRS thing has been investigated to death and it's nothing like what Gary has been describing. Or lying. B/c Gary is a degenerate liar and a troll.
From Wikipedidia:
You left out this part, of course. The DOJ was controlled by Eric Holder and Obama. It was decided to sweep under the rug. Of course, the media did go after Obama as usual. It was all dismissed as ineffective management.
From wikipedia:
The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of indications of potential political campaign intervention. Ineffective management: 1) allowed inappropriate criteria to be developed and stay in place for more than 18 months, 2) resulted in substantial delays in processing certain applications, and 3) allowed unnecessary information requests to be issued. Although the processing of some applications with potential significant political campaign intervention was started soon after receipt, no work was completed on the majority of these applications for 13 months.... For the 296 total political campaign intervention applications [reviewed in the audit] as of December 17, 2012, 108 had been approved, 28 were withdrawn by the applicant, none had been denied, and 160 were open from 206 to 1,138 calendar days (some for more than three years and crossing two election cycles).... Many organizations received requests for additional information from the IRS that included unnecessary, burdensome questions (e.g., lists of past and future donors).[7]
FBI investigation[edit]
In January 2014, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced that it had found no evidence warranting the filing of federal criminal charges in connection with the affair. The FBI stated it found no evidence of "enemy hunting" of the kind that had been suspected, but that the investigation did reveal the IRS to be a mismanaged bureaucracy enforcing rules that IRS personnel did not fully understand. The officials indicated, however, that the investigation is continuing.[155][156][157][158]
DOJ investigation[edit]
In October 2015, the Justice Department notified Congress that there would be no charges against the former IRS official Lois Lerner or against anyone else in the IRS. The investigation found no evidence of illegal activity or the partisan targeting of political groups and found that no IRS official attempted to obstruct justice. The DOJ investigation did find evidence of mismanagement and Lerner's poor judgement in using her IRS account for personal messages but said "...poor management is not a crime."[159][160][161]
Fat hurts wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:Right! Hundreds of Tea Party activist groups had their certifications delayed for years, straight through a hotly contested election year... and it was no one's fault!!! Just a minor SNAFU by low level employees, which just happened to stifle the voices of the President's political opposition while he was fighting for re-election. No one was held accountable, and no one paid the price. Move along.
Well, that is what happened. It truly did turn out to be a minor SNAFU by low level employees. And, btw, some liberal groups had their certifications delayed as well.
Nobody paid a price because there was no price to be paid. Nobody can even figure out if any harm was done. The fact is, all these groups went on operating as usual. They weren't even required to get 501(c)(4) certifications in the first place. It was an optional thing.
This truly was a scandal about nothing.
But to Lyin' Gary it was an example of Obama corruption even though Obama had nothing to do with it.
Oh sure. And if the same thing happened to liberal activist groups under Bush or Trump the story would have unfolded the same way, right? A lot more happened than we are talking about here.
There is no intelligent discussion with you guys. Sadly, there is no intelligent discussion with any liberal anywhere, because you all believe the same spin and have the same distorted world view. If there is an intelligent political discussion between conservatives and liberals happening somewhere, I would like to know about it. I think it's impossible, because an intelligent discussion would avoid all the hatred, propaganda, and spin, and liberalism vanishes without that.
DiscoGary wrote:
Oh sure. And if the same thing happened to liberal activist groups under Bush or Trump the story would have unfolded the same way, right? A lot more happened than we are talking about here.
There is no intelligent discussion with you guys. Sadly, there is no intelligent discussion with any liberal anywhere, because you all believe the same spin and have the same distorted world view. If there is an intelligent political discussion between conservatives and liberals happening somewhere, I would like to know about it. I think it's impossible, because an intelligent discussion would avoid all the hatred, propaganda, and spin, and liberalism vanishes without that.
Right. The story would have unfolded exactly the same way.
Gary, it's hard to have an intelligent discussion with you. Eric and I keep throwing out facts and you just keep cryin' and lyin'. You have to do better than, "well it would be different if things were different".
Make some coherent arguments. Do it without lies. I'd love to have better discussions.
itsbaddude wrote:
eric a blair wrote:reminder that the IRS thing has been investigated to death and it's nothing like what Gary has been describing. Or lying. B/c Gary is a degenerate liar and a troll.
From Wikipedidia:
You left out this part, of course. The DOJ was controlled by Eric Holder and Obama. It was decided to sweep under the rug. Of course, the media did go after Obama as usual. It was all dismissed as ineffective management.
From wikipedia:
The IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review Tea Party and other organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of indications of potential political campaign intervention. Ineffective management: 1) allowed inappropriate criteria to be developed and stay in place for more than 18 months, 2) resulted in substantial delays in processing certain applications, and 3) allowed unnecessary information requests to be issued. Although the processing of some applications with potential significant political campaign intervention was started soon after receipt, no work was completed on the majority of these applications for 13 months.... For the 296 total political campaign intervention applications [reviewed in the audit] as of December 17, 2012, 108 had been approved, 28 were withdrawn by the applicant, none had been denied, and 160 were open from 206 to 1,138 calendar days (some for more than three years and crossing two election cycles).... Many organizations received requests for additional information from the IRS that included unnecessary, burdensome questions (e.g., lists of past and future donors).[7]
FBI investigation[edit]
In January 2014, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced that it had found no evidence warranting the filing of federal criminal charges in connection with the affair. The FBI stated it found no evidence of "enemy hunting" of the kind that had been suspected, but that the investigation did reveal the IRS to be a mismanaged bureaucracy enforcing rules that IRS personnel did not fully understand. The officials indicated, however, that the investigation is continuing.[155][156][157][158]
DOJ investigation[edit]
In October 2015, the Justice Department notified Congress that there would be no charges against the former IRS official Lois Lerner or against anyone else in the IRS. The investigation found no evidence of illegal activity or the partisan targeting of political groups and found that no IRS official attempted to obstruct justice. The DOJ investigation did find evidence of mismanagement and Lerner's poor judgement in using her IRS account for personal messages but said "...poor management is not a crime."[159][160][161]
ok, so we can't trust the trump DOJ to be honest either. Therefore Trump is guilty. We know he is. No matter what the DOJ says about him. Is that your line of thinking?
And the FBI? What's your beef with them? Bunch of liberal law enforcement officers and investigators?
It is more correct to say that CNN ratings rose from 2016 Q2 compared to 2017 Q2. It may not rise anymore. In fact there is evidence it is going down.
eric a blair wrote:
ah, anonymous trolls giving misleading information.
Here's the truth - CNN ratings are rising, not falling.
CNN hit a ratings milestone this quarter, with the network posting its most-watched second quarter on record in total viewers, and its best second quarter among adults 25-54 in 14 years (since 2Q 2003) in Total Day. In prime time (M-Su and M-F), CNN averaged its highest 2Q delivery since 2003 (in both total viewers and among 25-54). During daytime (9am-4pm), CNN had its highest quarterly 25-54 delivery since 4Q 2008 and second highest total viewers level since 1Q 2003.
ah, anonymous people (trolls) disputing everything that anyone else posts as misleading, but what they post is fact. You are so laughable I can hardly stand it. If it comes from the Right, it's Fake News. If it comes from the Left, it's reality. Honestly, do you see how dumb you look? You post BS and want it to be believed because you are sooooooooooo insecure.
eric a blair wrote:
ah, anonymous trolls giving misleading information.
Here's the truth - CNN ratings are rising, not falling.
CNN hit a ratings milestone this quarter, with the network posting its most-watched second quarter on record in total viewers, and its best second quarter among adults 25-54 in 14 years (since 2Q 2003) in Total Day. In prime time (M-Su and M-F), CNN averaged its highest 2Q delivery since 2003 (in both total viewers and among 25-54). During daytime (9am-4pm), CNN had its highest quarterly 25-54 delivery since 4Q 2008 and second highest total viewers level since 1Q 2003.
so we're all agreed that CNN ratings rose in the 2Q 2017, right?
or are we going to invent our own tv ratings?
Fake news by Fat Hurts, again.
Fat hurts wrote:
One week of ratings is meaningless. That's especially true in the summer time when overall TV viewership plummets.
This is CNN wrote:I have posting for years using this same handle. Unlike you, I don't switch handles after your girl lost to Trump. I'm going with the most recent (weekly) ratings, not from last month or earlier. CNN is taking a nose dive.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/340812-political-news-rules-basic-cable-ratings-with-fox-news-and-msnbc-beating-outhttp://freebeacon.com/politics/cnn-loses-primetime-weekly-ratings-battle-tlc-nick-at-nite/
Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these
Red Bull (who sponsors Mondo) calls Mondo the pole vaulting Usain Bolt. Is that a fair comparison?