Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:
Are you kidding me? The whole investigation is a fraud. If they are going to nail Cohen for lying then Clapper, Comey, and Brennan need to be charged as well for lying. It’s a garbage investigation made as an excuse for you crying out loud liberals who can’t fathom how they lost the 2016 election.
If those guys lied to congress then they should be charged as well. It would come down to corroborating evidence. In the Cohen case, there was plenty.
Regardless of the specifics of the investigation, let me say that I admire the way Mueller and crew have kept their mouths shut during its course.
I don't follow the news obsessively, but as near as I can tell the only "leaking" they do is when they submit court documents. Otherwise, silence. That seems like the fairest way to handle things--people who end up being innocent (or at least not charged) aren't prejudged in the public's mind.
Running that kind of a tight ship really speaks to leadership.
Google search -> Any Time -> 05/01/2016 - 07/01/2016 "Trump" "moscow" "tower".
What you'll see are stories that there were (fruitless) talks of building a tower in Moscow. This isn't news. The only news is that Cohen, for the really dumb reason of "staying in line with the presidents messaging" lied and said Trump didn't know that there was speculation of building a tower in Moscow.
When the news of Cohen admitting he lied surfaced, all the pro-collusion people started saying "they've got Donny now! I bet he submitted to Mueller that he had no knowledge of a plan to build a tower in Moscow! Purjury!"
Well, sorry folks, turns out that before this news ever broke, Trump had already told Mueller "Yeah of course I knew about that!"
So what this boils down to is, Cohen lied, Trump told the truth, and Cohen will get prosecuted for lying about something that doesn't even matter. This doesn't implicate Trump in any way.
jsrtsjtr wrote:
Regardless of the specifics of the investigation, let me say that I admire the way Mueller and crew have kept their mouths shut during its course.
I don't follow the news obsessively, but as near as I can tell the only "leaking" they do is when they submit court documents. Otherwise, silence. That seems like the fairest way to handle things--people who end up being innocent (or at least not charged) aren't prejudged in the public's mind.
Running that kind of a tight ship really speaks to leadership.
Agreed. The professionalism, thoroughness, and methodical nature of his investigation is incredible. The guy is like an irl Batman
ya..... wrote:
Google search -> Any Time -> 05/01/2016 - 07/01/2016 "Trump" "moscow" "tower".
What you'll see are stories that there were (fruitless) talks of building a tower in Moscow. This isn't news. The only news is that Cohen, for the really dumb reason of "staying in line with the presidents messaging" lied and said Trump didn't know that there was speculation of building a tower in Moscow.
When the news of Cohen admitting he lied surfaced, all the pro-collusion people started saying "they've got Donny now! I bet he submitted to Mueller that he had no knowledge of a plan to build a tower in Moscow! Purjury!"
Well, sorry folks, turns out that before this news ever broke, Trump had already told Mueller "Yeah of course I knew about that!"
So what this boils down to is, Cohen lied, Trump told the truth, and Cohen will get prosecuted for lying about something that doesn't even matter. This doesn't implicate Trump in any way.
First off, Tiny did lie publicly. He repeatedly told the American people that he had nothing to do with Russia. Those who trusted that Tiny had put all Russia deals behind him before the Iowa caucus were duped and voted for him thinking that he wasn't being influenced by the Kremlin. Tiny clearly was being influenced by Putin and likely still is.
Secondly, you don't know if Tiny lied to Mueller. Remember that he submitted a sworn affidavit to the special council which dealt with questions of Russian collusion. If Tiny's sworn affidavit proclaimed that the Trump tower deal was dead in January of 2016 then Tiny has committed perjury.
agip wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
He is ridiculous. He thinks that if he admits to something he shouldn't have done and then says that it was fine that he was doing it that all is ok.
He lied about business dealings he had with Russia during the campaign...flat out lied...among thousands of other ones.
Trump apologists need to stop now. He's a crook...he's an UBER crook.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Trump's Chicago tax attorney was raided by the FBI today.
I mean the walls are closing in.
But M&GAS will just say 'no collusion, hillary' and ignore all the crimes.
Remind me what crimes has he been convicted of?
And are these alleged crimes like Kavanaugh crimes or HRC crimes?
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OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/adriana_cohen/2018/11/just_a_few_questions_mr_comey_and_ms_lynchFlagpole wrote:
[sigh] Dude...you are skating on crazy ice. I won't tolerate too much of that before I will have to just ignore you. I am getting a little tired of educating you as it is, but you say some things on occasion that make me feel you are not completely a lost cause. This time though...skating on crazy ice.
1) All the criminals this investigation has brought to justice show that this investigation is not a fraud.
2) The Russian connections to Trump (that he lied about) that we now know exist show that this investigation is not a fraud.
3) You lashing out at Trump critics is deflection. Even looking if taking a legitimate look at your deflection, fine by me if anyone who committed a crime is charged. None of that would make Trump innocent of anything. You feel this is a Democrat vs. Republican issue, and it is not. It is a sane American vs. a criminal dangerous President issue.
4) This has nothing to do with the election and never did. It has to do with a rogue criminal President who is a danger to the United States and the world.
Methinks you have a deviated septum. There is surgery for that.
1) Any journalist who begins a story with "Lyin’ and leakin’ James Comey is at it again" is not a top notch one.
2) What James Comey or Lynch or anyone else has ever done has no bearing on what Trump has done. You are yet another deflector. Do any of you know anything about Psychology at all? Mind blowing!
3) You should either be more respectful to your mother, or come clean as to why she is a b!tch.
Fat hurts wrote:
ya..... wrote:
Google search -> Any Time -> 05/01/2016 - 07/01/2016 "Trump" "moscow" "tower".
What you'll see are stories that there were (fruitless) talks of building a tower in Moscow. This isn't news. The only news is that Cohen, for the really dumb reason of "staying in line with the presidents messaging" lied and said Trump didn't know that there was speculation of building a tower in Moscow.
When the news of Cohen admitting he lied surfaced, all the pro-collusion people started saying "they've got Donny now! I bet he submitted to Mueller that he had no knowledge of a plan to build a tower in Moscow! Purjury!"
Well, sorry folks, turns out that before this news ever broke, Trump had already told Mueller "Yeah of course I knew about that!"
So what this boils down to is, Cohen lied, Trump told the truth, and Cohen will get prosecuted for lying about something that doesn't even matter. This doesn't implicate Trump in any way.
First off, Tiny did lie publicly. He repeatedly told the American people that he had nothing to do with Russia. Those who trusted that Tiny had put all Russia deals behind him before the Iowa caucus were duped and voted for him thinking that he wasn't being influenced by the Kremlin. Tiny clearly was being influenced by Putin and likely still is.
Secondly, you don't know if Tiny lied to Mueller. Remember that he submitted a sworn affidavit to the special council which dealt with questions of Russian collusion. If Tiny's sworn affidavit proclaimed that the Trump tower deal was dead in January of 2016 then Tiny has committed perjury.
What deals did he have with Russia? None! And also, we do know what he submitted to Mueller, it's been widely reported on. He told Mueller that of course he knew about the talks of a tower in Russia. There was never a question of whether or not Trump wanted a tower the, he tried literally 5 times, all public knowledge. There was never a deal though, he never made it happen (and still hasn't).
L L wrote:
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"My mind is made up! Do not confuse me with 'facts' and 'logic'! Own the libs!"
Bad Memory wrote:
agip wrote:
Trump's Chicago tax attorney was raided by the FBI today.
I mean the walls are closing in.
But M&GAS will just say 'no collusion, hillary' and ignore all the crimes.
Remind me what crimes has he been convicted of?
And are these alleged crimes like Kavanaugh crimes or HRC crimes?
who, Spanks? he has paid tons of money in fines, penalties, etc. He's been caught avoiding taxes, breaking gambling commission rules, locking out black people....dude has a long, long history of bad stuff.
The trumpers are changing strategy.
After trump has been caught time and again, his "conservative" fans aren't denying his crimes anymore - they are saying 'well why hasn't X or Y Democrat been convicted? Biased prosecutors.'
Didn't take long for them to abandon all hint of righteousness.
They'll try a few other weak defenses - will be sad to watch.
ya..... wrote:
So what this boils down to is, Cohen lied, Trump told the truth, and Cohen will get prosecuted for lying about something that doesn't even matter. This doesn't implicate Trump in any way.
Ahem, no. You are just plain blind.
Bad Memory wrote:
Remind me what crimes has he been convicted of?
And are these alleged crimes like Kavanaugh crimes or HRC crimes?
You are one dumb mofo.
ya..... wrote:
hat deals did he have with Russia? None!
^ Doubling down on stupid.
shtrter wrote:
L L wrote:
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People and entities charged
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"My mind is made up! Do not confuse me with 'facts' and 'logic'! Own the libs!"
So cries out the guy who keeps posting under a bunch of names. You do not understand the hard words 'facts', and 'logic'.
agip wrote:
The trumpers are changing strategy.
After trump has been caught time and again, his "conservative" fans aren't denying his crimes anymore - they are saying 'well why hasn't X or Y Democrat been convicted? Biased prosecutors.'
Didn't take long for them to abandon all hint of righteousness.
They'll try a few other weak defenses - will be sad to watch.
The Trumpers are also screaming out that it is someone else's fault. Trump did not do the deal directly so he is entirely blameless. That he directed someone else to do his dirty work is not illegal.
WARNING!
Conservatives, Prepare Yourself Now for What Mueller May Find
by hardcore conservative Matt Lewis
Mueller’s probe is about to uncover a wide range of corrupt behavior among many of Trump’s closest associates.
Conservatives must resist the urge to act compulsively. We should not feel compelled to defend Trump in these moments simply because he has an R next to his name or because he’s being targeted by people who do not share our values.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservatives-prepare-yourself-now-for-what-mueller-may-find
L L wrote:
Here is a nice database of the Mueller investigation:
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/russia-investigations/#/chargesBut Trump calls it a witch hunt in search of a crime.
Hey libs! Need I remind you the last time Mueller had the biggest investigation of his life? It was the anthrax case & he completely screwed up that one. He went after the wrong guy and the real terrorist got away. Doh!
Mueller never
Clownpole forever
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/05/21/when_comey_and_mueller_bungled_the_anthrax_case_133953.html