Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

I'm not taking the same position as agip.

I'm all for forgiveness and holding the country together. But if his crimes are proven I think Tiny needs to go to prison. To get there will take enormous time, patience, and due process.

I'm not saying go easy on Tiny. And I'm not saying he shouldn't be impeached.

I'm saying that it would be very, very foolish to start impeachment unless you know you have 67 votes in the senate.

L L wrote:

I say the vote happens Feb 2.

Groundhog's Day, which is a Saturday in 2019.

Kavanaugh was confirmed on a Saturday.

For historical perspective, Clinton was impeached Dec 19, 1998.

Republicans had the House majority before the November midterms.

The Democrats picked up 5 seats but the Republicans still had the majority.

The Senate trial began Jan 7, 1999.

The acquittal vote was Feb 12, 1999.

The reason I have the vote rather early is because the fear of Trump acting more and more irrationally leading up to this vote.

Care to place a bet on it?

Nope, you are just confident enough to spew your garbage on here day in and day out.

Yeah, about that Hillary thing...LOL!!!!

Hardloper wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Remember, there are only four ways an authoritarian like Tiny leaves office:

1. Die in office

2. Thrown in prison

3. Flee to exile

4. Taken out back and shot

Most of you thought I was crazy the first time I said that. "Surely that can't happen in America", you thought. But I bet some of you are starting to see it my way.

Yeah you're still crazy

When a new President takes office in 2025 you will claim he's fleeing into exile and tell yourself you were right anyway though

It appears that you don't know what "flee to exile" means. Look up the word "exile".

agip wrote:

I mean they bribed him by overspending on real estate, but that's not really a crime.

Just for the record, that is really a crime. It can be a very serious crime depending on the circumstances.

I would argue that the fifth amendment right would still apply in an impeachment trial. But the true answer is way, way, way out of my league.

I get your point, but it won't matter anyway.

If you don't get 67 senators to take the trial seriously, Tiny would never be called to testify.

And as I understand it, the house could vote to impeach and the senate never holds a trial at all. I'm pretty sure Mitch McConnell could just ignore the whole thing and go on like nothing happened.

The impeachment process is pointless if you don’t have the votes for removal?

If he’s done crimes, he has to be tried for them.

If the Republicans vote for acquittal simply because they are the same party and his guilt is obvious to the public, they will pay a political price.

What you are saying is that he has a free pass to break laws and act unethically just because they aren’t 67 Democrats in the senate.

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“What kind of an amoral ideologue still supports a politician who has had FIVE campaign officials plead guilty to federal charges?” - agip

L L wrote:

The impeachment process is pointless if you don’t have the votes for removal?

If he’s done crimes, he has to be tried for them.

If the Republicans vote for acquittal simply because they are the same party and his guilt is obvious to the public, they will pay a political price.

What you are saying is that he has a free pass to break laws and act unethically just because they aren’t 67 Democrats in the senate.

That's right. He does. He has a free pass. A "feel good" impeachment won't change that.

And he won't pay a price politically. It would just make him politically stronger.

So you have to find another way to solve the problem.

agip wrote:

RoleTIDE wrote:

I will vote for Trump again just to see the show the crats are putting on. Its amusing.

f'in the country to own the libs

Of course. Bear in mind that for quite a few people the absolute high point of the Trump era was Election Night 2016, when they could see how distraught some Dems were. Nothing since then has provided a similar level of delight, which is why they constantly hark back to a night more than two years ago, rather than paying attention to what's happening now.

It goes farther than that, though. Democrats just happen to be the current convenient target; the *real* pleasure is in owning someone, whoever that might be. Keep in mind that a fair number of people--some of them denizens of this board--were all for Bernie Sanders, the ultimate "lib," in the primaries...and then switched to Trump in the general. It had nothing to do with political convictions or ideology; they just wanted to bust things up.

That desire to just mess with other people is one that's shared by a solid percentage of our population (of *any* population, I suspect). The worse that Trump acts, the more fervently--the more gleefully--these individuals will support him. They want to see somebody's heads explode; in the current circumstances, it just happens to be the libs'.

Impeachment is a bad idea for many of the reasons stated. Unless something bigly bad happens, I can't see the Senate voting to convict. Too tribal. If not convicted, his supporters can say that he was proven innocent, and further embrace his persecution complex. His approval will go up, and he will emerge stronger. Meanwhile, the House Dems, who could be working on infrastructure or something else, will be seen as doing nothing -- and the voters want to see progress.

Best thing to do to Trump is to nibble around the edges. Work on getting his tax returns published. Throw an indictment at Don Jr. or someone else close to him (Kushner?) This will keep him on edge for months, he'll gradually unravel and become more unstable as 2019 goes by. This will make it far easier for a Republican to challenge him in the primaries (Kasich? Romney?), or he'll lose to whatever Dem out of a couple dozen make it through their primaries.

Exactly!

Tiny is dangerous to the world and he must be removed from office ASAP. But we can't let ourselves get in such a rush that we fail and make things worse.

We have to keep our eye on the prize. And that prize is not just Tiny's removal. It is legislation that builds a better life for the American people. That will only happen if we retake the presidency and the senate in 2020.

If my arithmetic is correct, as of this past Friday (November 9, 2018) the current four-year presidential term was 45% complete.

Make of that what you will.

So what diversion does the Republican party bring on this week? After losing the House, many governorships and hundreds of state house seats, after putting in place at DOJ an actual puppet and being caught out, after missing a WW1 ceremony because of a little rain...

What does the Republican party do this week to re-grab the headlines and divert attention away from their disastrous week?

it's going to be bad.

Trump will not face anything even remotely resembling a serious challenge in the primaries.

Let's keep it real, shall we?

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

I mean they bribed him by overspending on real estate, but that's not really a crime.

Just for the record, that is really a crime. It can be a very serious crime depending on the circumstances.

hard to prove. People overpay for real estate all the time. See Kushner, Jared for example. He bought a skyscraper that nearly destroyed his family's business.

See Trump, Donald. he overpaid for the Plaza, for casinos, for a lot of stuff. drove his companies into bankruptcy.

real estate has no intrinisic value - it's worth the clearing price. if a Russian oligarch really, really wanted that trump villa in florida and paid millions too much for it...hard to prove a crime.

The tax stuff is different obviously. the NYT and state of florida have shown that trump and his family and his businesses are serial tax cheats. I know there will be statute of limitations issues, but that is where the heat will be.

agip wrote:

The tax stuff is different obviously. the NYT and state of florida have shown that trump and his family and his businesses are serial tax cheats. I know there will be statute of limitations issues, but that is where the heat will be.

There is no statute of limitations for intentional tax cheating.

Whether they qualify as serious, we shall see...

Kasich is going to New Hampshire on November 15. Wonder why?

Danny Democrat wrote:

Pointing Out the REALLY Obvious wrote:

Trump will not face anything even remotely resembling a serious challenge in the primaries.

Let's keep it real, shall we?

Whether they qualify as serious, we shall see...

Kasich is going to New Hampshire on November 15. Wonder why?

There is a 5000 match race set up on my local track next week. Mo Farah vs me (recent 5k best of 31:17). Whether or not I qualify as a serious challenge to Mo, we shall see.

I will be on the track on Saturday. Wonder why?