Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Silliest of Willies wrote:

Flopper Trump wrote:

Some real links you won't see on Fox News.

My links were from CNN and Washington Post.

Here's one from an actual Pocahontas' descendant:

Warren FLOPPED, buddy. Deal with it.

Nice try though. Ha!

That "descendant" must be all of 0.1% Pocahontas.

agip wrote:

one of the many great failures of the Dem party is that Dem policy is generally loved by the not-rich republicans. But the Dems go and foul it up with culture war garbage like transgender rules for bathrooms and obsessive focus on race. that garbage pushes would-be dems to vote for Repubs.

I believe it's true that Democrats are easily attacked on wedge issues, but that's inherent with trying to appeal to and represent a diverse base. That leaves the uncomfortable trade off between breadth of representation and political power. Winding up with almost no political power at the federal level as happened after 2016 is clearly a problem of course, but what/who to give up on without selling your soul?

Flopper Trump wrote:

Silliest of Willies wrote:

My links were from CNN and Washington Post.

Here's one from an actual Pocahontas' descendant:

Warren FLOPPED, buddy. Deal with it.

Nice try though. Ha!

That "descendant" must be all of 0.1% Pocahontas.

Her only child was half English and half Native American. So a 50% deduction for her first "descendant".

Sounds like a slippery slope to an invasion of privacy combined with wishful thinking. No one is gonna sit around and audit their neighbors and maybe I don't want my income advertised to everyone on the block.

Even if the House gets his returns, I would think the investigative committee would be limited in what they could reveal. Vague allusions to lack of wealth? Everyone already knows he's getting crushed by debt and people who insist otherwise will just claim a deep state conspiracy or something which is why his tax returns at this point are basically irrelevant politically speaking.

Fat hurts wrote:

STSBO wrote:

And here we have further proof that the "moral" majority, the "Christian" right, . . . is a loosely organized branch of Satan Inc.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/evangelical-leader-pat-robertson-saudi-003944218.html

Fat dude - I respect you. And I wish that many, MANY so-called Christians were a whole lot more like you.

Thanks. I respect you too.

There actually are many, many Christians like me. The ones who study the scriptures and really try to follow the teachings of Jesus come to the conclusion that we need to love our neighbors. We need to show hospitality to immigrants. We need to take care of the sick and the poor and the prisoners. And we don't judge them, lest we be judged ourselves.

This is what Jesus taught and this is why I tend to vote Democrat.

You study the scriptures no more than I do. Being left or right has nothing to do with loving your neighbors or helping people. You just filled in the voting blank Democrat because it fit your personal agenda.

Brighten up, your words are not gospel. I'm slightly right of center, but do more for people every day than you'd ever imagine. I'm not right of center because of my religious beliefs, hardly.

Laziness is no excuse for free handouts. There are those who deserve it and those looking for a free ride. There's a difference and political beliefs can be pointed to as the answer.

Teachers and Autoworkers vote Democrat, why? If you don't know the answer to that, then you're really behind on the eight ball. It fits their own personal "financial" agenda. Wake up dude, you're not the gospel and trying to change the meaning is disrespectful to Jesus.

Do you know where 8 mile is? I go south of there at least 3 days a week to help the truly misfortunate. I guess that's why I tend to vote Republican.

The Clintons did terrible things, but you voted Democrat. Do they define "you" as a person? Trump doesn't define me, but as many of my closet friends said, many in the military, I wasn't voting for Hillary! To not know the answer to that says enough about your undeniable bias.

Keep it to yourself, you'll lose it. Share it and you'll have it the rest of your life.

What business is it of yours what I make or what taxes I paid? I'm a private citizen, not a politician. And I believe, in contrast, most people would not get over it. The ACLU in particular. Good luck with that. But please feel free to move to one of those countries that consider them public documents, if you feel strongly about it. Pakistan for example. I think they may have found Bin Laden there. Norway sounds better but its damn cold. I think the women there might make up for it however. I think the last data about Trumps tax returns was the 38 million he paid in 2005, at 25%. Scoop by Rachel Maddow I believe. Now that being said, all politicians tax records should be made public as part of the vetting process, and it should be a federally mandated requirement. Currently it is not. Wanna run, open your books. If not, don't run. I think the ACLU might also have a problem with that. Oh well. I also think the current system sucks, I'm a proponent of the flat tax. Perhaps, within certain very well defined limits, a sliding scale based on income with zero deductions. BUT.............one should not be penalized for being successful and motivated, or incentivized for being lazy and unmotivated. Or ones family being penalized for a loved one dying.

I really doubt Elizabeth Warren will be the Democrat nominee for president.

But if she can get Republicans to spend all of their time and money going after her while someone else takes the nomination with fewer attacks, all the better.

I get that, and I was rather shocked when a Norwegian colleague told me about it. I just checked, and it looks like Norway is the only country that does this. But there is a catch. While anyone can go online and look at my return, I can also see who has looked at it. So you might not want to invade someone's privacy just for kicks. They will know you did it.

It's not that people would go around doing the IRS's job for them by auditing their neighbors. It's just that people would be more honest with their taxes if they knew that their dishonesty was out in the open. Thus, the IRS wouldn't need to do as many audits.

In a rather unusual turn of events, I agree with you.

My brother, I don't doubt that you are a sincere Christian and I applaud your acts of kindness.

People vote Republican or Democrat for all kinds of reasons. I used to be a lot more conservative and I have even voted for Republican presidents. But prayer and meditation on the teachings of Jesus have moved me to vote Democrat for the past many years.

I do want to address the thing you said about lazy people. Jesus never said we should put conditions on helping others. This is why I brought up his teaching on "judging" others. We shouldn't say, "That person is lazy, so he doesn't deserve my help". Jesus never taught anything like that. He simply said that what we do for others, we do for God.

Who you choose to help says nothing about the person you are helping. But it says everything about your willingness to extend grace to that person, just as God has extended undeserved grace to you.

I'll just repeat my earlier post in case you missed it. I used to agree with you too, but I'm coming around to the idea. Here is why:

Fat hurts wrote:

STSBO wrote:

And here we have further proof that the "moral" majority, the "Christian" right, . . . is a loosely organized branch of Satan Inc.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/evangelical-leader-pat-robertson-saudi-003944218.html

Fat dude - I respect you. And I wish that many, MANY so-called Christians were a whole lot more like you.

Thanks. I respect you too.

There actually are many, many Christians like me. The ones who study the scriptures and really try to follow the teachings of Jesus come to the conclusion that we need to love our neighbors. We need to show hospitality to immigrants. We need to take care of the sick and the poor and the prisoners. And we don't judge them, lest we be judged ourselves.

This is what Jesus taught and this is why I tend to vote Democrat.

Yes, I know that there are many Christians like you - normal people quietly going about their lives, trying to get by, enjoying life and trying to do a bit of good along the way. It's just that, to many, the face of Christianity in this country is the TV evangelist, the "greed is good" preacher, the ardent bombastic buffoon (who of course, loves Trump).

In a weird way, and I know that it is not a perfect analogy, it is similar to the jihadists being the face of Islam. There are many, many normal people in this country - teachers, doctors, etc. - who are Muslim. But that is not the face of Islam to most.

Let's be clear about some things:

1) The Democrats WILL take the House (unless there is cheating again or unless aliens come down here and make us all vote for Republicans).

2) Democrats would be foolish to begin impeachment proceedings BEFORE the Mueller report is out. I think they might want to try that, but hopefully they will not.

3) Once the Democrats take the House and they get Mueller's report, they WILL begin impeachment proceedings. They will have to. Even if it is just Obstruction of Justice as agip suggests, that's what Clinton was impeached for (that and one charge of perjury). Also, they WILL have the votes to impeach him...and if we're just talking politics here, if what Clinton did was enough for the House to impeach, then a Democrat-controlled House WILL have to do this...and they should.

4) Democrats will NOT just allow Trump to twist in the wind. It's bad for Trump if he is impeached anyway. It's one of the things that helps determine re-election or not...whether there was a big scandal. Impeachment is a big scandal. Also, it affects the whole Republican party, not just Trump. The House WILL move forward with impeachment proceedings unless the Mueller report is squeaky clean with regard to Trump, and it won't be.

Thanks. I did see your earlier post. It is an interesting idea. And I like the notion that you would know who has looked at your tax returns.

That said, I am an advocate for privacy in general. If you want to run for office then release your returns. Otherwise you are a private citizen and these should remain your business and the IRS' business but nobody else'.

STSBO wrote:

Yes, I know that there are many Christians like you - normal people quietly going about their lives, trying to get by, enjoying life and trying to do a bit of good along the way. It's just that, to many, the face of Christianity in this country is the TV evangelist, the "greed is good" preacher, the ardent bombastic buffoon (who of course, loves Trump).

In a weird way, and I know that it is not a perfect analogy, it is similar to the jihadists being the face of Islam. There are many, many normal people in this country - teachers, doctors, etc. - who are Muslim. But that is not the face of Islam to most.

Yes, it's very sad that groups are judged by their worst adherents.

By the way, I feel the same way about congress. I think most of the members really are trying to do what's best for the country.

Before Tiny, I could say that about every president in my lifetime.

PIO! wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

What business is it of yours what I make or what taxes I paid? I'm a private citizen, not a politician. And I believe, in contrast, most people would not get over it. The ACLU in particular. Good luck with that.

. . .

Now that being said, all politicians tax records should be made public as part of the vetting process, and it should be a federally mandated requirement. Currently it is not. Wanna run, open your books. If not, don't run...

In a rather unusual turn of events, I agree with you.

In other words, Trump would have never been elected because he probably would have preferred to keep his real net worth and financial woes hidden than run.

L L wrote:

I really doubt Elizabeth Warren will be the Democrat nominee for president.

But if she can get Republicans to spend all of their time and money going after her while someone else takes the nomination with fewer attacks, all the better.

An establishment Democrat who cannot seem believable and cannot present some revolutionary ideas in a simple way will not be able to win. I can’t see Warren appealing to the masses yet but she may have it in her. The reality is although she is well known, people do not enough about her and have not heard enough from her yet to make up their minds.

Trollminator wrote:

PIO! wrote:

In a rather unusual turn of events, I agree with you.

In other words, Trump would have never been elected because he probably would have preferred to keep his real net worth and financial woes hidden than run.

the downside to forced public scrutiny of candidates is that it will discourage high achievers from running. We need more quality people in government.

Trollminator wrote:

L L wrote:

I really doubt Elizabeth Warren will be the Democrat nominee for president.

But if she can get Republicans to spend all of their time and money going after her while someone else takes the nomination with fewer attacks, all the better.

An establishment Democrat who cannot seem believable and cannot present some revolutionary ideas in a simple way will not be able to win. I can’t see Warren appealing to the masses yet but she may have it in her. The reality is although she is well known, people do not enough about her and have not heard enough from her yet to make up their minds.

Democrats will also have to solve the problem of minorities not showing up. The ID law changes by Republicans are destroying the chances of this improving. Democrats need to not only motivate those groups, by appealing to them heavily, but also need to expose and fight these abuses publicly. They will have to pick a few distinct topics and bombard the public with them so they project confidence about the future. No question most of the country is blue, but it means nothing if they can’t be bothered to vote. Better yet, we need some new blood to put up some aggressive propositions to force the Democrat agenda to shift and narrow. Hope is what fires people up, listening to the same $hit every time won’t.