Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

I think your all somewhat correct on this...

1) yes, many right wing Christians probably use birth control. But, they do not promote it and will often publicly argue that wide spread use of birth control is bad for the country and families (..,the classic religious do what I say, not what I do hypocrisy).

2) They absolutely will vehemently argue against ANY government funding of birth control. Sure you can use birth control but I am not paying for it!!!!—type of thing.

3) #2 is short sited in light of their views on tax cuts. Earlier in this thread it was pointed out that the GOP often slashed taxes when they take control of the government promising that either the tax cuts will pay for themselves somehow (magical thinking) and/ or that they will “get to spending cuts soon”. They never get to those spending cuts and, thus, significantly contribute to an unsustainable level of federal debt.

This last point is where tax & spending policy and contraception / abortion policy intersect. If you truly want to decrease government spending preventing unwanted pregnancies by supporting contraception programs for the poor—even if government funded—will accomplish that goal. See the Colorado example sites by several others above.

Finally, as someone pointed out much of the opposition to contraception and abortion is based on a “pro-punishment” agenda which followers brand as pro-life. That world view is seriously warped and antithetical to solving real world problems.

calling out wrote:

Hey Dude! wrote:

I see that you are up to that daily double of yours - LYING about what the other poster said AND deleting posts that call you out on your LYING! Way to go, Lying Gary Lite!

He has definitely removed posts calling him out by name. It makes his responses look much bigger when people do not look like they are challenging him. Nothing new - just what he has always done as a mod.

Hmmmm . . . isn't that the signature modus operandi of one George M.alley?

Hmmmmmm . . .

Trollminator wrote:

I have a hard time believing that anyone, including a family member, would actually care about this disgusting human being at all. If anything maybe they think there is something they could gain financially i.e. they are trying to protect what might be left of their future inheritance

That seems absurd to me. Almost always close family members will care about each other, regardless of how "disgusting" of a human being one might be.

PIO! wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I have a hard time believing that anyone, including a family member, would actually care about this disgusting human being at all. If anything maybe they think there is something they could gain financially i.e. they are trying to protect what might be left of their future inheritance

That seems absurd to me. Almost always close family members will care about each other, regardless of how "disgusting" of a human being one might be.

Indeed. Ivanka saw what mental illness did to her grandfather. It makes a lot of sense for Jared and Ivanka write such a letter, as a way of coaxing dad to quit. But I think they had someone actually write the letter--the better to keep people from figuring out it was actually them.

I do not think Republicans want to really overturn Roe v Wade and ban abortions.

They want it to stay out there as an issue to constantly campaign against to win elections.

Just like they did not want to actually repeal and replace Obamacare.

They only liked to campaign against it to help win elections.

It got them the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014 and now they have the presidency.

Notice, the ACA is still the law and they had no plan to replace it.

And healthcare isn't even a discussion anymore on the campaign trail.

Juts like how the deficit is a campaign issue until they are in power and they increase the deficit.

All they want is low corporate taxes and regulations cut. They use those other issues only as campaign tools to try and win elections.

Notice what policies have been passed and what have not in this administration.

PIO! wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

I have a hard time believing that anyone, including a family member, would actually care about this disgusting human being at all. If anything maybe they think there is something they could gain financially i.e. they are trying to protect what might be left of their future inheritance

That seems absurd to me. Almost always close family members will care about each other, regardless of how "disgusting" of a human being one might be.

It may sound absurd because you were probably raised in a normal household and didn’t have an egomaniac for a father. You are generalizing and overestimating human beings. Keep in mind these people (with maybe the exception of the multiple wives when the children were small) never engage with each other on a day to day basis. Things in the Trump household are probably purely transactional. Do you think Melania speaks to Trump unless she needs to? Why would that be different for the daughter? Don Jr probably interacts with him more because he has something to offer Trump (human shield). Trump is a hollow and psychotic being with no value system. While I don’t doubt he cares about family members in his own way, he is strictly the #1 priority in his own life. After a while family members and friends catch on and once they figure out the dynamics of the relationship the materialistic treatment is reciprocated. In other words, they are impatiently waiting for him to pass.

Yes. They just test to see which way the wind blows and use it to try and win elections.

This is one of the reasons I vote Democrat. We don't play those silly games.

Criminal X wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Yep. He also has a lot of lawyers on his team with expertise in money laundering. This was not an accident.

There are no theories about Trump being a criminal. He is for sure one, and he made the biggest mistake of his life running for President.

He will be proven to have committed many crimes. It will be interesting to see if there is ONE that takes him down or just the sheer number.

Which crimes will he be convicted of?

If you mean convicted and sent to prison, that is for sure up in the air as any combination of pardon and/or plea bargain is likely to keep him out of prison. Mike Pence is extremely likely to pardon him, assuming Pence isn't also wrapped up in this criminality. If Pence goes down and the

If you mean convicted by the Senate and thus impeached AND removed from office, this is not a certainty either as he can resign before that.

It will be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump did these things:

Obstruction of justice

Money laundering

Conspiracy to defraud the United States of America

Felony Campaign Finance law violation

Emoluments Clause violation

Bank fraud and/or wire fraud or conspiracy to commit

Computer hacking law violation

Some sort of RICO thing unless covered by the above

Probably some other things

He is protected from legal conviction because he is the President. Somewhat a ridiculous thing. I don't think the power to pardon should be as broad as it is.

Still possible he faces some indictment on a state level that Pence can't protect him from.

He is a criminal on an epic level.

You‘re all sorta right wrote:

1) yes, many right wing Christians probably use birth control. But, they do not promote it and will often publicly argue that wide spread use of birth control is bad for the country and families (..,the classic religious do what I say, not what I do hypocrisy).

It's not like that at all and it's not hypocritical.

Evangelical Christians believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin. So they are uncomfortable with anything that they see as promoting sex outside of marriage.

Almost all evangelicals are fine with birth control as long you are married. And most evangelical women either use or have used it.

They are not against birth control per se and they don't think birth control is inherently bad. They just don't want to promote sex outside of marriage. So they don't want any government funding that might help someone commit a sin.

You may not agree with it, but it is an intellectually consistent position.

Nothing better than watching hillary lovers continue to have meltdowns!!!!!!

Hahahahaha!!!!!

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L L wrote:

I do not think Republicans want to really overturn Roe v Wade and ban abortions.

They want it to stay out there as an issue to constantly campaign against to win elections.

True, at least among Republican politicians. And now things get interesting.

Republicans will soon have what they wanted with a pro-life supreme court. If the court doesn't get it done, what happens?

Point taken but doesn’t change the argument since the most important group are unmarried women when it comes to birth control. At the end of the day, they are at the mercy of draconian policies supported by religious Americans who besides ultimately having to help bear the cost of unwanted births have zero connection to these women and the repercussions of their personal decisions.

Fat hurts wrote:

L L wrote:

I do not think Republicans want to really overturn Roe v Wade and ban abortions.

They want it to stay out there as an issue to constantly campaign against to win elections.

True, at least among Republican politicians. And now things get interesting.

Republicans will soon have what they wanted with a pro-life supreme court. If the court doesn't get it done, what happens?

They will get it done if given the opportunity. It’s not strategic, they will just sleepwalk into it... it may not be rational just like electing Trump, but the right still did it.

That is your opinion. My opinion is quite different.

With all the craziness surrounding the White House in the last week, the steadiness is the investigation of one Robert Swan Mueller III.

I will now get out my magnifying glass and focus the sunlight...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

And there's the bullsh*t right there. Beneath your words: it's not about the 'sin' (as defined by Christians) it's about 'punishment', as alluded to above, and making sure that there are consequences for unmarried women if they have sex.

By providing condoms the government isn't helping someone commit the 'sin' of having sex. This'll happen whether they like it or not.

Yep.

I just wanted to correct those who were saying that the religious right is against birth control. They are not. And, in this case, they are not being hypocritical. They are just promoting bad public policy.

So he will essentially be not guilty.

Evangelicals don't see it that way. They are not trying to be punitive. They simply don't want to promote a sinful lifestyle.

You have a very warped view of who the evangelicals are. They are generally very kind, thoughtful, and forgiving.

If you asked, most of them would say that it's better to give the free condoms than to have unwanted pregnancy. But they don't think that those are the only two choices. They want to promote celibacy until marriage.

Therefore, many evangelicals feel that handing out the free condoms promotes promiscuity. That's what they care about.