Fat hurts wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
That’s why I find the religious right the scariest segment. Their values are not only rooted on very poorly supported political rationale, it’s also grounded on their cockamamie spiritual beliefs. One of the easiest examples is that they not only believe the welfare system is unfair and ineffective (poorly supported politics rationale), it’s fundamentally even more important to them that poor and less educated women keep having unwanted babies. So they need to keep giving birth to babies not by their own choice while getting no help from the same group that wants those babies. It’s just fvcking bananas to me.
You've got this wrong. By and large, the religious right is not against birth control.
You are thinking of fundamentalist Catholics, which is a pretty small segment of the fundamentalist Christian population.
That’s not true. Many on the Right hold anti-abortion and anti-contraception positions simultaneously. The links posted earlier in this thread about the Colorado program for free contraception was opposed by the GOP legislation in general because of these right wing beliefs. It’s not just Catholics who think this way.
Here are the facts...
1. abortion, birth rate, and general healthcare data from the United States is fragmented and incomplete prior to ~ 1950-60s. Thus, anyone claiming knowledge about data from the time period prior to this is highly questionable without links.
2. What is well known is that in the Western world it was very common for people to wed (and, thus, f$&k) as teenagers until ~1920s. This occurred for thousands of years and continues in many parts of the world (including in the southern USA) still. This means people are biologically programmed to f$&k starting as teens. Just because social norms changed (for the better...unless your a fan of teenage brides like ISIS) in the US in the early 20th century does not mean biology will change over night or even in a relatively short time span (~80 years).
3. Based on #2, which is FACT, it is unreasonable to think that simply saying “don’t have sex until your married” will work.
4. I would think people opposed to abortion, who actually want to have abortions decrease would support reality based solutions like easy access to contraception which decreased abortion rates in the example provided below.
Education and access to contraception dropped the abortion rate by ~50% in Colorado—which also saved the state $70 milllion dollars in expenses for social services, etc. for low income moms/families. I’ve linked a story and the primary data here:
http://www.5280.com/2017/09/end-free-birth-control/https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sites/default/files/PSD_TitleX3_CFPI-Report.pdfHere are links to a story and the primary data showing that even people born in the 1930s and 1940s were having pre-martial sex.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2740714&page=1https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1802108/Behavior and attitudes towards sex have changed but only in the sense that after ~1920 AD it became less common for people to marry at young ages (14,15,16, etc) in the USA. For 1000s of years prior to the early 1900s teenagers had sex all the time. It was normal. So how do you expect hormonal / biological drive to f$&k as a teen to go away in the span of ~80 years when people had been f$&king as what we now consider to be kids since the begging of time? That’s totally illogical and not based on reality people have been having sex as teenagers since the beginning of time.
Based on the Colorado experience it is clear policies can be implemented to decease the number of abortions. But that’s not what the God Squad / GOP actually want. What they want is to be able to act morally superior, preach to people, and chastise people for making mistakes. They don’t want to actually solve problems they just want to lecture women. They don’t want to deal with reality.