Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Oh, OK I think I found it. Is this the link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Measures_Working_Group
I probably should have said google 'active measures film'
I only posted because you said you hadn't heard the theory... and that theory is what this film is all about.
active measures... wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Oh, OK I think I found it. Is this the link:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Measures_Working_GroupI probably should have said google 'active measures film'
I only posted because you said you hadn't heard the theory... and that theory is what this film is all about.
Sorry, I was just playing around. Both sides play these games. If you think anything Russia is doing is unique to them you are naive. Our country unfortunately has been messing around in other peoples business for years with the unfortunate result of many lives lossed. Both parties are complicit. If Trump is in involved he should pay. Same for the Clintons if there was pay for play. Fortunately we will soon be bankrupt and our mischief will be moderated for the betterment of humankind.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Bank records wrote:
Mueller has the bank records. Keep your hopes up.
Oh the Clinton’s bank records, good. Looks like the investigation is going to be fair afterall.
Ahem, the Clinton's released all of their tax returns. How about your hero, Trump?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Sorry, I was just playing around. Both sides play these games. If you think anything Russia is doing is unique to them you are naive. Our country unfortunately has been messing around in other peoples business for years with the unfortunate result of many lives lossed. Both parties are complicit. If Trump is in involved he should pay. Same for the Clintons if there was pay for play. Fortunately we will soon be bankrupt and our mischief will be moderated for the betterment of humankind.
In other words, you are screaming: IT IS OKAY FOR TRUMP TO CHEAT, AND CHEAT A LOT MORE, BECAUSE . . . .
Sure, that type of defense always works for people charged with murder. "But that guy killed people too and did not spend time in prison, so . . . I AM LEGALLY INNOCENT!"
Bankss wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Oh the Clinton’s bank records, good. Looks like the investigation is going to be fair afterall.
Ahem, the Clinton's released all of their tax returns. How about your hero, Trump?
Ahem, how come the Clinton Global Initiative died? How about your hero, Hillary?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Ahem, how come the Clinton Global Initiative died? How about your hero, Hillary?
A very weak attempt at deflection. Hillary is not the president. Of course, you wouldn't know that listening to Fox News, and reading Trump Tweets.
bankss wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Ahem, how come the Clinton Global Initiative died? How about your hero, Hillary?
A very weak attempt at deflection. Hillary is not the president. Of course, you wouldn't know that listening to Fox News, and reading Trump Tweets.
Weak is your one sided view, at least I know Trump and the Republicans are flawed. You can’t seem to see through your rose colored glasses that the Democrats were doing illegal devious activities throughout the campaign. Of couse, you wouldn’t know since you listen to MSNBC, and reading Chuck Schumer Tweets.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Nothing useful to add. As expected.
...and I thought it was for quality posters....and rational indviduals....
So did I wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
...and I thought it was for quality posters....and rational indviduals....
So bugger off then!
^This.
Your arguments in support of Trump are incredibly weak. Are you a patriotic American or not? Because one of your arguments defends Russia interfering in our elections because “we do it too”. Disgusting.
Your other argument has to do with the Clintons. I fail to see how either of them are relevant now as neither are in the government.
Please try and simply defend Trumps actions and policies. If you think the tax cuts were/are a good idea in the long term (vs the short term ....which almost everyone agrees are their only benefit, i.e. the tax are helpful GOP Cheats thumping for the election but solve no economic problems in the us) state why. Otherwise, please go away and do us all a favor and do not vote.
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Michael Caputo said he knows who the writer of the op-ed is, won't give a name but said some things that to me point to it being Nikki Haley.
He called the writer "she" and said she believes she should be President instead of Trump. Got any ideas who else he might be talking about?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Tyrone,
I agree actually. I don’t like the tax cuts, deficits, or continued wars. I plan to vote Democratic for several candidates. If there is a Blue Wave it would not bother me. Unfortunately both parties have ignored pressing national issues, rather each side panders to their base. Personally I would rather see handouts to the “poor” (even though it encourages servitude) than corporate welfare. We are living in a nation adrift and it has been that way for sometime, as in well before Trump.
All that said, I like Elizabeth Warren’s stance on the banks, but think her whole Native American thing was fake. Obama was big hat, no cattle. In regards to the Russia thing, I believe it is a “nothing burger.” The Obama/Hillary state department was going to reset Russia/US relations. They forgot to stop the CIA from formenting turmoil in the Ukraine. Like Trump, Hillary was a seriously flawed candidate. I had enough of the Bush/Clinton dynasty. I hate Facebook and think most of the tech people are nothing more than modern day robber barons.
So I thought the cartoon was pretty funny.
Igy
Your vote for Democrat will unfortunately come too late. Clinton/Bush dynasty for another 8 years would have been 1,000X better than Trump for 1 term, your judgement was awful. You were not alone.
Trollminator wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Tyrone,
I agree actually. I don’t like the tax cuts, deficits, or continued wars. I plan to vote Democratic for several candidates. If there is a Blue Wave it would not bother me. Unfortunately both parties have ignored pressing national issues, rather each side panders to their base. Personally I would rather see handouts to the “poor” (even though it encourages servitude) than corporate welfare. We are living in a nation adrift and it has been that way for sometime, as in well before Trump.
All that said, I like Elizabeth Warren’s stance on the banks, but think her whole Native American thing was fake. Obama was big hat, no cattle. In regards to the Russia thing, I believe it is a “nothing burger.” The Obama/Hillary state department was going to reset Russia/US relations. They forgot to stop the CIA from formenting turmoil in the Ukraine. Like Trump, Hillary was a seriously flawed candidate. I had enough of the Bush/Clinton dynasty. I hate Facebook and think most of the tech people are nothing more than modern day robber barons.
So I thought the cartoon was pretty funny.
Igy
Your vote for Democrat will unfortunately come too late. Clinton/Bush dynasty for another 8 years would have been 1,000X better than Trump for 1 term, your judgement was awful. You were not alone.
People like you are more than willing to impose your values on others. Thank god we live in a society where one can vote how they please. Your side lost in the last election, get over it.
Flagpole wrote:
Michael Caputo said he knows who the writer of the op-ed is, won't give a name but said some things that to me point to it being Nikki Haley.
He called the writer "she" and said she believes she should be President instead of Trump. Got any ideas who else he might be talking about?
On Friday he said it was definitely John Huntsman. I guess he's going to keep guessing until he gets it right.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
People like you are more than willing to impose your values on others.
Please explain the above portion of your post. Isn’t anyone voting because they believe in this or that (regardless of party affiliation) essentially trying to “impose” their “values” on the opposing side? Do you really think all the people on the right that vote primarily based on a candidates stance on social issues aren’t trying to impose their values on people that disagree with them? How is the poster you were responding to any different than those “on your side”?
Flagpole wrote:
Michael Caputo said he knows who the writer of the op-ed is, won't give a name but said some things that to me point to it being Nikki Haley.
He called the writer "she" and said she believes she should be President instead of Trump. Got any ideas who else he might be talking about?
I saw that too. I thought the "she" seemed a little forced, especially after claiming that the writer used certain words and phrases to point at others.
Nikki Haley spends most of her time in New York. I think the writer would be someone who deals with Trump more day to day in D. C.
I also think it's not somebody who would like to be president someday. It's just too risky. That leaves out Haley, Pence, Pompeo, and several others.
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Kavanaugh is a shoe in but what about reality? wrote:
Anyone paying attention to the Brett Kavanaugh nomination hearings this week? Did anyone catch his response to a Roe v. Wade question in which he sited a ruling in which he referred to contraception as “abortion inducing drugs”? What are your thoughts on that exchange and the difference between contraception and abortion? I recognize this topic is complex but I think it is useful to try and understand each sides point of view. But, conflating contraception and abortion is not helpful for either side of the abortion debate.
The fundamental disagreement about abortion in the USA, I think, lies in if a fetus should be defined as an autonomous human. Despite what each side will argue, there is not a definitive scientific or legal answer to that question.
Pro-lifers say a fetus, or even a zygote or embryo, is the same as a fully formed child. Thus, for pro-lifers the “baby” is their primary concern.
Pro-choicers say a fetus is not an autonomous human until it has taken its first breath or is capable of doing so on its own (some time around 22-24 weeks gestational age). Thus, for pro-choicers the mother is the focus of their concern.
If one can see this clearly, then I think one should be able to understand why each side is so passionate about their cause—one side truly believes “babies” are being murder and the other side truly believes people are trying to dictate to women what they do with their own body. Using each sides perspective and assuming they really believe what they are saying, one can see how each side can claim to be the more compassionate and how each side could view their position as trying to defend those (fetuses for the right, women for the left) who have traditionally been marginalized.
Where the argument starts to breakdown is when anti-abortion folks are also anti-contraception—and it is true that a very common position is to be both anti-abortion AND anti-contraception. Those two things are contradictory. If pro-lifers really want fewer abortions how can they also oppose easy access to contraception?
As noted in the links below modern, recent data from Colorado has clearly shown how free access to contraception significantly decreased abortions.
Another common association between political beliefs and pro-life views is the desire to decrease government spending on “social programs”—many of which are designed to help poor children get food, housing, education, and healthcare coverage. Thus, these two positions (anti-contraception /abortion and anti-spending on poor children) being held simultaneously by the same person make no sense. Because if pro-lifers want the government to end abortions which will result in more poor children but then they suddenly—after birth—no longer care about those “babies” and think they need to “stop whining and pull themselves up by the boot straps” the result will be a total disaster.
Again, the Colorado example has shown that as the use of contraception increases among poor women the abortion rate drops by a lot AND government spending drops.
The above is the major problem with this debate—that one side (pro-lifers) have no actual real world proposals to deal with this issue. They actual oppose actions that have been shown to reduce abortions. Simply saying people need to “accept Jesus”, “not have premarital sex”, or “reap what they have sewn “ is not public policy, it’s fantasy and not based on reality. Can a pro-lifer explain what they would be willing to actually do to address the issue of abortion—and the associated issue of poor children—other than banning abortion? How are you going to enforce your “don’t have premarital sex rule”? Are you going to force church attendance? What are your thoughts on Bristol Palin as an example of the success of your proposed policies?
Kavanaugh is a hardcore Catholic. Those folks not only believe that life begins at conception BUT also believe that preventing conception through contraception is a sin. So his comment is not too surprising in this context.
But, not to worry per Iggy only the Clinton’s want to impose their values on others (he likely knows this because Dinesh D’Souza—a convicted felon pardoned by Trump) told him so through his unbiased and totally factual Russian funded movie. It’s not like the GOP is trying to impose their values on anyone, thus Iggy’s politics are totally reality based and well thought out.
Plus, the Catholics need lots of unwanted kids so they can systematically rape them and cover it up. But, not to worry at least they vote the “right” way and support traditional family values.
No challenges for Igy wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
People like you are more than willing to impose your values on others. Thank god we live in a society where one can vote how they please. Your side lost in the last election, get over it.
You don't like to be challenged do you? Gets you real defensive and irate. Seen it in other threads.
I think it’s more that he doesn’t like being told he’s wrong. His initial post above sure as heck reeks of buyer’s remorse. All I did was draw a conclusion based on his own comment and I get a very defensive response (further proof I’m right). People don’t like being told they are wrong, but in this case it’s a small burden to bear compared to the damage their vote has done to the nation. Sorry, in this particular case it was very important to get it right, and he didn’t, like millions others.
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