Will Trump pardon Manafort as soon as this guilty plea comes in or after he is found guilty again in an appeal?
Will Trump pardon Manafort as soon as this guilty plea comes in or after he is found guilty again in an appeal?
As of today today today wrote:
Well Well Wells wrote:
As of today, Manafort IS not guilty of any charge.
As of today. Manafort IS not cleared of the charges against him.
True. True.
Awsi Dooger wrote:
XY wrote:
How comically trollish does Giuliani seem these days? He might as well be living under a bridge in NYC only coming out to serve his master. This guy is so desperate for attention he has abandoned his law and order persona just to be a role player.
Chris Matthews had an awesome comparison tonight on Hardball. He said Giuliani is like one of those clowns who stands under the basket and waves things at NBA games prior to a free throw.
Meaningless distraction
Given he hasn't practiced law in forever he is just another bottom feeder trying desperately to be relevant. Just watch any of his interviews, he's just having a laugh. On a funny note:
https://imgur.com/NnapQ49Awsi Dooger wrote:
XY wrote:
How comically trollish does Giuliani seem these days? He might as well be living under a bridge in NYC only coming out to serve his master. This guy is so desperate for attention he has abandoned his law and order persona just to be a role player.
Chris Matthews had an awesome comparison tonight on Hardball. He said Giuliani is like one of those clowns who stands under the basket and waves things at NBA games prior to a free throw.
Meaningless distraction
Giuliani's job for the WH is to present an point of view which Trump's base can grasp on to. It's not to put forth any semblance of truth or even to make any sense at all. As long as he wanders around the news shows offering a point of view explaining away whatever negative situation Trump is in, the base will go along with it.
As much as it irritates me to listen to the gibberish, it works for the purpose intended.
The Fokus wrote:
Awsi Dooger wrote:
Chris Matthews had an awesome comparison tonight on Hardball. He said Giuliani is like one of those clowns who stands under the basket and waves things at NBA games prior to a free throw.
Meaningless distraction
Giuliani's job for the WH is to present an point of view which Trump's base can grasp on to. It's not to put forth any semblance of truth or even to make any sense at all. As long as he wanders around the news shows offering a point of view explaining away whatever negative situation Trump is in, the base will go along with it.
As much as it irritates me to listen to the gibberish, it works for the purpose intended.
You shouldn't let it irritate you.
Try to stay focused!
L L wrote:
Will Trump pardon Manafort as soon as this guilty plea comes in or after he is found guilty again in an appeal?
I doubt if he would do it before midterms. Granted Trump’s base wouldn’t care, but Republicans are going to have to win more than Trump’s base to maintain control of the House. Expect the pardon to come in after November.
foo wrote:
L L wrote:
Will Trump pardon Manafort as soon as this guilty plea comes in or after he is found guilty again in an appeal?
I doubt if he would do it before midterms. Granted Trump’s base wouldn’t care, but Republicans are going to have to win more than Trump’s base to maintain control of the House. Expect the pardon to come in after November.
If Trump were a logical person and not so emotional, and if he ever took the advice of anyone else in the White House, I would agree with you, and you still could be right, but things are just next to impossible to predict with regard to what this President might do.
Also, does pardoning him at all before the Mueller investigation is over add to his already big case against him on Obstruction of Justice? Seems to me that it would, because he is letting others know that they can get into trouble and he will just pardon them, so they should feel free to not tell the truth.
Too many things have been described as "norms" that this President isn't following. I think after he is gone, we need to pass some laws for Presidents so all things are crystal...can't pardon yourself, can't pardon others who are involved in cases or with prosecutors that you are also involved with, must release tax returns for x number of years, and likely many other things.
The good thing is...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole wrote:
foo wrote:
I doubt if he would do it before midterms. Granted Trump’s base wouldn’t care, but Republicans are going to have to win more than Trump’s base to maintain control of the House. Expect the pardon to come in after November.
If Trump were a logical person and not so emotional, and if he ever took the advice of anyone else in the White House, I would agree with you, and you still could be right, but things are just next to impossible to predict with regard to what this President might do.
Also, does pardoning him at all before the Mueller investigation is over add to his already big case against him on Obstruction of Justice? Seems to me that it would, because he is letting others know that they can get into trouble and he will just pardon them, so they should feel free to not tell the truth.
Too many things have been described as "norms" that this President isn't following. I think after he is gone, we need to pass some laws for Presidents so all things are crystal...can't pardon yourself, can't pardon others who are involved in cases or with prosecutors that you are also involved with, must release tax returns for x number of years, and likely many other things.
The good thing is...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Trump will not pardon Manafort. Here is why.
If Manafort was going to cooperate with Mueller, he would have already done so. My guess is that Manafort is afraid to tell Mueller what he knows because Putin would have him killed.
A pardon for Manafort only helps Trump if it keeps him from cooperating with Mueller. But it looks like Putin has taken care of that anyway.
Even if it's not Putin that Manafort is afraid of, Manafort doesn't look likely to flip. So Trump gains nothing from a pardon.
And Trump never does anything if there is no prospect for gain.
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
If Trump were a logical person and not so emotional, and if he ever took the advice of anyone else in the White House, I would agree with you, and you still could be right, but things are just next to impossible to predict with regard to what this President might do.
Also, does pardoning him at all before the Mueller investigation is over add to his already big case against him on Obstruction of Justice? Seems to me that it would, because he is letting others know that they can get into trouble and he will just pardon them, so they should feel free to not tell the truth.
Too many things have been described as "norms" that this President isn't following. I think after he is gone, we need to pass some laws for Presidents so all things are crystal...can't pardon yourself, can't pardon others who are involved in cases or with prosecutors that you are also involved with, must release tax returns for x number of years, and likely many other things.
The good thing is...
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Trump will not pardon Manafort. Here is why.
If Manafort was going to cooperate with Mueller, he would have already done so. My guess is that Manafort is afraid to tell Mueller what he knows because Putin would have him killed.
A pardon for Manafort only helps Trump if it keeps him from cooperating with Mueller. But it looks like Putin has taken care of that anyway.
Even if it's not Putin that Manafort is afraid of, Manafort doesn't look likely to flip. So Trump gains nothing from a pardon.
And Trump never does anything if there is no prospect for gain.
This is all true, but Trump pardoning Manafort would be a signal to others that he's got their back, so that THEY don't flip on him. Also, he is very petty, and pardoning Manafort would be a big "F*ck You" to the whole process.
Manafort still has another trial and possible appeal of this last one if convicted.
He protected Trump in this case and is looking to be rewarded.
Manafort can still flip to get a deal if he is not pardoned.
We know Cohen has flipped and Flynn has given something to Mueller for his deal. Gates has given something, too. But maybe just on Manafort.
We do not know what information Mueller has.
foo wrote:
L L wrote:
Will Trump pardon Manafort as soon as this guilty plea comes in or after he is found guilty again in an appeal?
I doubt if he would do it before midterms. Granted Trump’s base wouldn’t care, but Republicans are going to have to win more than Trump’s base to maintain control of the House. Expect the pardon to come in after November.
Trump lives in his little fantasy land in the WH, he has no clue how fvcked his situation will be when the GOP is no longer in control. Let’s see how good his “street fighting” skills will be then.
You Me Not wrote:
The Fokus wrote:
Giuliani's job for the WH is to present an point of view which Trump's base can grasp on to. It's not to put forth any semblance of truth or even to make any sense at all. As long as he wanders around the news shows offering a point of view explaining away whatever negative situation Trump is in, the base will go along with it.
As much as it irritates me to listen to the gibberish, it works for the purpose intended.
You shouldn't let it irritate you.
Try to stay focused!
Giuliani actually said in an interview on CNN that "Trump has done more than any other POTUS in History at this point".
I mean daaaamn, what an a** kisser
L L wrote:
Manafort still has another trial and possible appeal of this last one if convicted.
He protected Trump in this case and is looking to be rewarded.
Manafort can still flip to get a deal if he is not pardoned.
We know Cohen has flipped and Flynn has given something to Mueller for his deal. Gates has given something, too. But maybe just on Manafort.
We do not know what information Mueller has.
There is definitely some educated speculation that Gates have given up information on Trump as well as Manafort.
Trump is chaos personified, so I would not try to predict his actions whatsoever. Fortunately we have sane people looking at him with a microscope.
He is such a bad bad human being.
Trollminator wrote:
Trump lives in his little fantasy land in the WH, he has no clue how fvcked his situation will be when the GOP is no longer in control. Let’s see how good his “street fighting” skills will be then.
I heard someone say that when the Chief Idiot endorses or shows up to whip up his followers, he wins elections. It's not totally wrong. Like a GW Bush or Reagan, people who vote Republican respond by voting. Here's an example of the junk they are consuming. "Fox News’s Ainsley Earhardt praises US victory over ‘communist Japan’" If you made it a comedy sketch, it would be hilarious.
As for control of the Senate, it's a very difficult situation for the Left to change. The odds of the majority of both houses changing is very slim. You'll likely see Trump beat the drum on an issue that brings out the far Right again in October.
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Trump will not pardon Manafort. Here is why.
If Manafort was going to cooperate with Mueller, he would have already done so. My guess is that Manafort is afraid to tell Mueller what he knows because Putin would have him killed.
A pardon for Manafort only helps Trump if it keeps him from cooperating with Mueller. But it looks like Putin has taken care of that anyway.
Even if it's not Putin that Manafort is afraid of, Manafort doesn't look likely to flip. So Trump gains nothing from a pardon.
And Trump never does anything if there is no prospect for gain.
This is all true, but Trump pardoning Manafort would be a signal to others that he's got their back, so that THEY don't flip on him. Also, he is very petty, and pardoning Manafort would be a big "F*ck You" to the whole process.
Nope. Trump would give pardons to cover "his" back. Manafort will get one because Trump would set a precedence for pardoning himself from committing money laundering misdeeds.
Tom Arnold says Trump called his son the "R" word? So what is it?
I'd take a shot at Re' Not a nice thing to say (both to the subject and fellow examples).
Picador wrote:
Tom Arnold says Trump called his son the "R" word? So what is it?
I'd take a shot at Re' Not a nice thing to say (both to the subject and fellow examples).
R-e-t-a-r-d. Little Barron is mentally challenged. Trump himself made a tape saying that and sent it out as a digital Christmas card to many people.
“I have the outtakes to ‘The Apprentice’ where he says every bad thing ever, every offensive, racist thing ever,” Arnold said. “It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a r-e-t-a-r-d, just being so mean to his own children.”
Arnold explained that the tape had been put together by employees of the reality series as a humorous video Christmas card that was sent out to numerous recipients.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tom-arnold-says-he-has-the-racist-trump-tape-from-the-apprentice/Pick-a-loo wrote:
R-e-t-a-r-d
^ No acceptable for use on LRC. But okay on CBS news and also on Fox News.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/12/20/tom-arnold-claims-has-tapes-donald-trumps-racist-outtakes-from-apprentice.htmlA Manafort pardon won't help Trump, actually makes things worse.
To piggy back on Flagpole's comment, I have also read from good sources that Gates is providing the goods on Trump. And I've also read that Mueller didn't try to flip Manafort. Preponderance of evidence and he has enough evidence on the Trump crew to bring them down without Manafort's assistance. Fourth of July has passed, but there will be a lot of fireworks over the next month and a half. Stay tuned and buckle up.
nontrumper wrote:
A Manafort pardon won't help Trump, actually makes things worse.
To piggy back on Flagpole's comment, I have also read from good sources that Gates is providing the goods on Trump. And I've also read that Mueller didn't try to flip Manafort. Preponderance of evidence and he has enough evidence on the Trump crew to bring them down without Manafort's assistance. Fourth of July has passed, but there will be a lot of fireworks over the next month and a half. Stay tuned and buckle up.
Yep. Trump is screwed.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.