Whoami? wrote:
Perhaps the real answer is reincarnation.
That is one opinion. How would you prove your opinion as fact? Faith?
Whoami? wrote:
Perhaps the real answer is reincarnation.
That is one opinion. How would you prove your opinion as fact? Faith?
perhaps wrote:
Whoami? wrote:
Perhaps the real answer is reincarnation.
That is one opinion. How would you prove your opinion as fact? Faith?
I think it has already been proven right here. Surely there can be no doubt that you are Albert Einstein reincarnate!
Whoami? wrote:
perhaps wrote:
That is one opinion. How would you prove your opinion as fact? Faith?
I think it has already been proven right here. Surely there can be no doubt that you are Albert Einstein reincarnate!
Nothing is ever proven. Surely there can be no doubt that you are a piece of caveman poop reincarnate!
So now Trump has imposed ILLEGAL sanctions on Russia. The insanity continues.
Whoami? wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
(1) You need to go back to Bible school.
Starting in Antioch, the believers were called "Christians" (Acts 11:26). Nobody said that only Jesus could call them Christians. (2)There is no biblical teaching that only Jesus knows who is a Christian.
As I said before, (3) if you think I'm going to hell because I am a liberal then you are so ignorant of the faith it is safe to surmise that you are not a Christian.
(4) I would say the same thing about someone who thinks one of the books in the Bible is called "Two Corinthians".
Regarding:
(1) No, not really.
(2) If Jesus claims you as one of his own after you die then you are a Christian. Otherwise you are not. There is no possible definition other than this. Clearly if, when you die, Jesus says, "Nope, not one of mine" then you are not a Christian. It is preposterous to suggest otherwise. And it is arrogant beyond belief to think that you can legitimately speak for Jesus in making the claim that you are a Christian.
(3) This is so stupid as to be hardly worthy of responding to. Please show me where I said anything about you being "a liberal", or that you "are going to hell". Indeed, I VERY explicitly said that "The ONLY person who knows if someone is a Christian is Jesus himself." Oh, and I did not claim to be Jesus. So, either you are pulling a Lying Gary here by trying to place an absurdity on me or you have reading comprehension problems. Which is it?
(4) I really don't care what you would say about someone who thinks that one of the books in the Bible is called "Two Corinthians."
(1) Yes, really.
(2) That is not a Biblical definition of "Christian". Again, see Acts 11:26. But if you want to make up your own definition of "Christian", that's your right. You still have not presented a Biblical argument that only Jesus can say who is a Christian.
(3) I didn't mean to imply that Whoami said it. But it was the thing that started this discussion. Someone said I was going to hell because I was a liberal. Notice I said, "If you think..". If that doesn't apply to Whoami then fine.
(4) You must care or you wouldn't have commented about it. I care because I believe that Donald Trump and his Christian followers are destroying Christianity in America.
I posted earlier in the thread about a couple of aspects of US culture (namely near-religious zealotry in the treatment of free speech as an absolute, and the strange cultural devotion to guns) that seem odd to most of the rest of the world. Another one of those cultural peculiarities has bubbled up really quickly over the last few pages; the need to wear your faith on your sleeve or hoist it like a flag to rally around. I know of no other culture (that I've experienced; I've been around quite a lot, but surely not everywhere) where one's religion plays such a large role in defining an individual's persona. As a non-yank, I would find your culture more agreeable if y'all would keep your religion to yourselves. Same goes on this thread... I don't love all the hateful bickering, but adding the religious element brings the discussion down a notch. For me, anyway.
OK, back to the regularly scheduled partisan squabbling...
repeat poster wrote:
I posted earlier in the thread about a couple of aspects of US culture (namely near-religious zealotry in the treatment of free speech as an absolute, and the strange cultural devotion to guns) that seem odd to most of the rest of the world. Another one of those cultural peculiarities has bubbled up really quickly over the last few pages; the need to wear your faith on your sleeve or hoist it like a flag to rally around. I know of no other culture (that I've experienced; I've been around quite a lot, but surely not everywhere) where one's religion plays such a large role in defining an individual's persona. As a non-yank, I would find your culture more agreeable if y'all would keep your religion to yourselves. Same goes on this thread... I don't love all the hateful bickering, but adding the religious element brings the discussion down a notch. For me, anyway.
OK, back to the regularly scheduled partisan squabbling...
When you say "rest of the world", I assume you mean the Western World? If so, you are right. Religion has been on a steady decline in most parts of the western world for the past several decades. You are also right that America has largely been the exception to that. That decline has been much slower here.
But that is now changing. This change, I believe, is being accelerated by Donald Trump. He is keeping people away from church in droves.
Having a nation of devoted religious people should have kept someone like Trump from becoming president. Christians should have been expected to reject someone who doesn't share their Christian values. Now this profoundly sinful man is leading millions of American Christians. And these Christians are truly devoted to Trump. It's no wonder that the Christian church is losing followers.
repeat poster wrote:
I posted earlier in the thread about a couple of aspects of US culture (namely near-religious zealotry in the treatment of free speech as an absolute, and the strange cultural devotion to guns) that seem odd to most of the rest of the world. Another one of those cultural peculiarities has bubbled up really quickly over the last few pages; the need to wear your faith on your sleeve or hoist it like a flag to rally around. I know of no other culture (that I've experienced; I've been around quite a lot, but surely not everywhere) where one's religion plays such a large role in defining an individual's persona. As a non-yank, I would find your culture more agreeable if y'all would keep your religion to yourselves. Same goes on this thread... I don't love all the hateful bickering, but adding the religious element brings the discussion down a notch. For me, anyway.
OK, back to the regularly scheduled partisan squabbling...
You really haven’t gotten out much.
Get out more wrote:You really haven’t gotten out much.Perhaps. But it's really very likely that I've "been out" (meaning in my mind, travelled around North America and abroad) far more than the typical reader of this thread.
Fat hurts wrote:Having a nation of devoted religious people should have kept someone like Trump from becoming president.I'm really not sure that's a valid hypothesis. It may be only my experience, but I think most "devoted religious people" are more likely than not to wear a thin veneer of piety over a base of normal, base human instinct, desire and inclination. The idea of electing a lunatic prepared to take strong action against the things they hate and fear (Mexicans, gays, muslims, democrats, blacks, transgender bathroom users, whatever...) may seem contrary to Christian ideals, but who can say what deals are made between a voter and their god in the secrecy of the poll booth?
Fat hurts wrote:
repeat poster wrote:
I posted earlier in the thread about a couple of aspects of US culture (namely near-religious zealotry in the treatment of free speech as an absolute, and the strange cultural devotion to guns) that seem odd to most of the rest of the world. Another one of those cultural peculiarities has bubbled up really quickly over the last few pages; the need to wear your faith on your sleeve or hoist it like a flag to rally around. I know of no other culture (that I've experienced; I've been around quite a lot, but surely not everywhere) where one's religion plays such a large role in defining an individual's persona. As a non-yank, I would find your culture more agreeable if y'all would keep your religion to yourselves. Same goes on this thread... I don't love all the hateful bickering, but adding the religious element brings the discussion down a notch. For me, anyway.
OK, back to the regularly scheduled partisan squabbling...
When you say "rest of the world", I assume you mean the Western World? If so, you are right. Religion has been on a steady decline in most parts of the western world for the past several decades. You are also right that America has largely been the exception to that. That decline has been much slower here.
But that is now changing. This change, I believe, is being accelerated by Donald Trump. He is keeping people away from church in droves.
Having a nation of devoted religious people should have kept someone like Trump from becoming president. Christians should have been expected to reject someone who doesn't share their Christian values. Now this profoundly sinful man is leading millions of American Christians. And these Christians are truly devoted to Trump. It's no wonder that the Christian church is losing followers.
This is what really stuck out in 2016. I know plenty of devout Christians who simply didn't vote in 2016. I also know there are many people who "identify" as devout Christians who simply aren't. So It's hard to really trust polls which identify the evangelical vote. There is simply no way a devout Christian could would have voted for Trump, even if you follow the "hate the sin, not the sinner" credo. I can hate the sin all I want, I can love the sinner all I want, but how does that translate into politics? Trump is what happens when religion and politics collide...politics and personnel preference wins. You really think everyone attending church on Sunday is a devout Christian?
Alan
Had a nice catch up with some old friends last night. One of them has a good number of long time friends that are trumpers and all like the political discourse. The problem is the conversation has generally gone one way and they have trampled most of their own beliefs to keep up their unrelenting support for their king.
My friend is a Democrat but a Wall Street type who was always for lower taxes so he liked the tax cuts, however when challenging the trumpers on any obvious issue, be it moral or policy, they do not back down. No matter how stupid, wreckless, conflicting or dangerous Trump’s actions, they support it 100%, no room for argument. Whenever called out for being contradictory to traditional conservative and republican beliefs, they simply point the things Hillary and Obama did, they cannot defend Trump directly. Needless to say, he’s been giving up on some of those friends, citing they have morphed and lost touch with reality. I can only chuckle.
Blue wave????
Hahahahaha!!!!!
Didn’t happen!!!!
Americans emphatically rejected the Christian hating democrat pieces of trash.
So the Republicans have this swampy, corrupt congressman running for re-election in New York, Chris Collins. (the first congressman to formally endorse Donald Trump)
He's been indicted on insider trading and is guilty as hell. No doubt.
The trial will not be until after the election and he cannot be replaced on the ballot.
It is a heavy Republican leaning district.
The Democratic nominee is Nate McMurray, a town supervisor.
What will the local voters do? Are they going to vote for an obvious criminal? Probably.
Then he will be convicted later and they will have a special election to fill that seat with another Republican.
Or will the seat be Roy Moored, where the voters actually vote for the Democrat rather than the unethical Republican?
Fat hurts wrote:
Whoami? wrote:
Regarding:
(1) No, not really.
(2) If Jesus claims you as one of his own after you die then you are a Christian. Otherwise you are not. There is no possible definition other than this. Clearly if, when you die, Jesus says, "Nope, not one of mine" then you are not a Christian. It is preposterous to suggest otherwise. And it is arrogant beyond belief to think that you can legitimately speak for Jesus in making the claim that you are a Christian.
(3) This is so stupid as to be hardly worthy of responding to. Please show me where I said anything about you being "a liberal", or that you "are going to hell". Indeed, I VERY explicitly said that "The ONLY person who knows if someone is a Christian is Jesus himself." Oh, and I did not claim to be Jesus. So, either you are pulling a Lying Gary here by trying to place an absurdity on me or you have reading comprehension problems. Which is it?
(4) I really don't care what you would say about someone who thinks that one of the books in the Bible is called "Two Corinthians."
(1) Yes, really.
(2) That is not a Biblical definition of "Christian". Again, see Acts 11:26. But if you want to make up your own definition of "Christian", that's your right. You still have not presented a Biblical argument that only Jesus can say who is a Christian.
(3) I didn't mean to imply that Whoami said it. But it was the thing that started this discussion. Someone said I was going to hell because I was a liberal. Notice I said, "If you think..". If that doesn't apply to Whoami then fine.
(4) You must care or you wouldn't have commented about it. I care because I believe that Donald Trump and his Christian followers are destroying Christianity in America.
(1) No, not really
(2) Try arguing that if Jesus does not claim you as one of his then you are still a Christian. I can just see it:
Jesus: This one is not one of mine
You: But Jesus, according to my understanding of the bible I am Christian!
Jesus: Good luck with that
(3) So, you typed a completely inappropriate comment in your response to me. I get that.
(4) Simply wrong.
Seriously dude, try thinking. So far you are not doing very well.
repeat poster wrote:
I posted earlier in the thread about a couple of aspects of US culture (namely near-religious zealotry in the treatment of free speech as an absolute, and the strange cultural devotion to guns) that seem odd to most of the rest of the world. Another one of those cultural peculiarities has bubbled up really quickly over the last few pages; the need to wear your faith on your sleeve or hoist it like a flag to rally around. I know of no other culture (that I've experienced; I've been around quite a lot, but surely not everywhere) where one's religion plays such a large role in defining an individual's persona. As a non-yank, I would find your culture more agreeable if y'all would keep your religion to yourselves. Same goes on this thread... I don't love all the hateful bickering, but adding the religious element brings the discussion down a notch. For me, anyway.
OK, back to the regularly scheduled partisan squabbling...
I agree. Probably more so than you understand.
(But I cannot guarantee your level of understanding so I can not say this for certain.)
Well, maybe, but... wrote:
Get out more wrote:You really haven’t gotten out much.
Perhaps. But it's really very likely that I've "been out" (meaning in my mind, travelled around North America and abroad) far more than the typical reader of this thread.
Most of the prolific posters on this thread haven't even gotten out of the basement in years.
Trollminator wrote:
Had a nice catch up with some old friends last night. One of them has a good number of long time friends that are trumpers and all like the political discourse. The problem is the conversation has generally gone one way and they have trampled most of their own beliefs to keep up their unrelenting support for their king.
My friend is a Democrat but a Wall Street type who was always for lower taxes so he liked the tax cuts, however when challenging the trumpers on any obvious issue, be it moral or policy, they do not back down. No matter how stupid, wreckless, conflicting or dangerous Trump’s actions, they support it 100%, no room for argument. Whenever called out for being contradictory to traditional conservative and republican beliefs, they simply point the things Hillary and Obama did, they cannot defend Trump directly. Needless to say, he’s been giving up on some of those friends, citing they have morphed and lost touch with reality. I can only chuckle.
Sounds like a rockin' time when you get out with your friends.
Even in the few minutes you are not on this thread, you are talking about it in the real world. Nice.
Fat hurts wrote:
He is keeping people away from church in droves.
.
Proof?
Rich Dieter wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Had a nice catch up with some old friends last night. One of them has a good number of long time friends that are trumpers and all like the political discourse. The problem is the conversation has generally gone one way and they have trampled most of their own beliefs to keep up their unrelenting support for their king.
My friend is a Democrat but a Wall Street type who was always for lower taxes so he liked the tax cuts, however when challenging the trumpers on any obvious issue, be it moral or policy, they do not back down. No matter how stupid, wreckless, conflicting or dangerous Trump’s actions, they support it 100%, no room for argument. Whenever called out for being contradictory to traditional conservative and republican beliefs, they simply point the things Hillary and Obama did, they cannot defend Trump directly. Needless to say, he’s been giving up on some of those friends, citing they have morphed and lost touch with reality. I can only chuckle.
Sounds like a rockin' time when you get out with your friends.
Even in the few minutes you are not on this thread, you are talking about it in the real world. Nice.
LOLZ. You guys really know how to party.
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