Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:

Flagpole I think you are overreacting. They may get something small but unlikely the REALLY REALLY REALLY big stuff you are looking for. Tweets are interesting because it suggests two things, either they are tieing it in to what they have or they have no to very little evidence and they need to pin something on the President to satisfy dems. Flagpole I think you are very smart but you’re way too emotionally attached to the subject which suggests to me you are reaching. Love the passion though we disagree.

I still think the better route for Democrats is to offer a solution or run a campaign designated to beat Trump and the Republicans in the next election cycle. Running on impeachment (which is horrible for the country) and identity politics will get them burned once again.

We will see. I don't let emotion drive my thinking or actions, only logic and facts. By the way, I am not looking for anything. I SEE what is coming. I could look away and still see it, because it is so obvious.

Do you mean running on impeachment is horrible for the country or the impeachment itself is horrible for the country? If the latter, I completely disagree. Trump is showing more and more every day that he's a cancer in the White House, a cancer to America, and he needs to be removed from office as soon as possible. He told his followers not to believe what they read or hear. Nice. Only believe what Trump tells them, eh? Orwellian. He calls the press the "enemy of the people". That is so backwards. That's what dictators call the press.

I don't believe the Mueller investigation is political in any way. They are Department of Justice people doing their jobs, and they aren't going after any type of information to "pin something on the President to satisfy dems."

Seems incredibly logical to me that Obstruction of Justice has been committed. Firing Comey and then admitting why he did it is enough right there. Had he not admitted why he did it, he might have an argument, but he did; flat out said on camera he did it because of the Russia investigation, and then he told Russians he had in the Oval Office that the pressure was off. Writing the misleading (lie) memo about the Trump Tower meeting being about adoptions is also Obstruction of Justice. His pattern of meeting with Intelligence Agency heads and Federal prosecutors to try to gain their loyalty is also evidence of Obstruction of Justice. There will be more things that are used to solidify that charge.

Money laundering is mostly (but not just) a side issue here, and it will be proven. Just no reason for Mueller to have such money laundering experts on his team if not looking for that against Trump. Yes Manafort and Gates are guilty of that, but Trump is also as has been rumored for years. Clear as day for those of us who have educated ourselves on that matter. The big thing will be them tying the money laundering to Russia in the form of bank loans, deals with oligarchs, etc. That will happen...there will be Russian connections, perhaps even to the Kremlin.

Conspiracy with Russia to commit fraud on the United States (or whatever it ends up being) is a done deal now. Cohen has said Trump knew of the subject of the Trump Tower meeting before it happened and that several were in the room when Cohen was also there who know it to be true. Corroboration under threat of legal exposure is very likely here. Mueller already very likely has proof of this. This has a long reach involving WikiLeaks, Roger Stone, Rob Goldstone, members of the Trump family including Trump himself and others.

Mueller will get him on all of the above and then some.

The Southern District of New York will get him on FELONY Campaign Finance Law violation, Bank Fraud and/or Wire Fraud or conspiracy to commit.

Democrats still need to run successful campaigns against Trump or whomever is in his place by then, and this is why Pelosi hasn't jumped on the Impeach bandwagon yet. She is smart to have not done so just yet. When the Mueller report comes out, there won't be a choice. We can't have a traitor in the White House, and the report will show that Trump is one.

Mueller is coming...methodically, legally, ethically, professionally, and without emotion.

The clown is done.

This article above is more then likely a possible scenario. I definitely don’t see prosecution but possibly an impeachment. I see everything you are writing and we disagree. I just don’t see the full scope of the evidence being there at the end of the day.

Flagpole wrote:

Proofer wrote:

Doesn’t exist. That’s why.

Just another lie from the guy who doesn’t lie.

At least try to respond to the right post. Like I said, I couldn't care less if you believe me or not.

I even made a post here (and it's still there, so you can go find if it you want -- no I will not do it for you) about Rico Cooper in 2003! I was pushing a fake ego-centric persona back then, but I don't do that anymore.

Back on topic...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Sure you did. :rolleyes

You and Trump have a lot in common.

Both serial liars.

"There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign" -- Hope Hicks, 11/11/16

Thisthreadisridiculous wrote:

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/394117-prepare-to-be-disappointed-with-russia-investigation-conclusion%3famp

This article above is more then likely a possible scenario. I definitely don’t see prosecution but possibly an impeachment. I see everything you are writing and we disagree. I just don’t see the full scope of the evidence being there at the end of the day.

1) An opinion piece from over a month ago? Ok. Was written before Cohen flipped on Trump. Was written before Trump made a fool/traitor of himself in Helsinki. Was written before three more women retained Michael Avenatti as his lawyer because they got hush money from Trump during a time in the campaign that they would all qualify as FELONY Campaign Finance violations. Was written before some more serious suggestions have been made that Trump may have gotten a Playboy Playmate pregnant and paid her $1.6 million for an abortion and for hush money and perhaps got that money from the RNC coffers. Was made before Giuliani said today that collusion with Russia likely isn't a crime. Many other things have happened too in the last month.

2) You don't see prosecution? I don't either and have said so many times. I believe it is possible, but I have put the percentage chance on it at 20% (meaning indictments from Mueller). I might change my opinion on this over time, and it likely would lean toward MORE possible than less.

3) You see possibly impeachment. Do you mean impeachment in the House but then no conviction? If so, we disagree. If you mean impeachment and then removal by the Senate, then we agree, though I believe he will resign before being forcibly removed, and his resignation may be part of a plea deal.

4) Obstruction of justice is crystal clear. You don't have to know much to see that. I submit to you that you need to know more about money laundering to as clearly see that as I do. Cohen will very likely have corroboration regarding conspiracy, and Mueller likely knows this anyway, including the blocked number that Don Jr. famously called before and after the Trump Tower meeting.

Time will tell. (though I will tell you right now -- Trump is going down).

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Proofer wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

At least try to respond to the right post. Like I said, I couldn't care less if you believe me or not.

I even made a post here (and it's still there, so you can go find if it you want -- no I will not do it for you) about Rico Cooper in 2003! I was pushing a fake ego-centric persona back then, but I don't do that anymore.

Back on topic...

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Sure you did. :rolleyes

You and Trump have a lot in common.

Both serial liars.

Dude, you have to realize that Flagpole just makes sh!t up all the time. He even lies about not lying.

Yawners wrote:

You have posted nothing but pithy insults and debunked links for a year. You have no intellectual credibility.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

Clownpole is coming

Mueller isn't

If you have been paying attention, I rarely posted links from Breibart or Fox. I post links from CNN, NYT, WaPo and the alphabet networks. They are dismissed by liberals if they run counter to your MSM narrative. You libs are so focused on Mueller that your platform is sorely lacking. If you insist on adopting a socialist ideology to run against Trump in 2020, it will be another Mitt Romney type of defeat.

Resisting Trump isn't good enough. You have no positive message for America and you have no shot to defeat Trump and the chances get even worse if your party nominates a far left of center candidate. It's all about the economy and it's booming. Your moderate wing has been marginalized and mostly silenced by people like Bernie, Pelosi, Waters, and Ocasio-Cortez.

Liberal heads will continue to explode for the next 6+ years

Mueller never

Clownpole forever

Dems do not need to control the Senate for impeachment. Just the House.

Once impeachment happens, the Senate must have a trial. All evidence must be introduced and it will be a public event.

And Trump would have to testify. An impeachment trial without his testimony or attempt to defend himself would go well for him.

Then he would of course lie under oath.

And not lie about sex but lie about Russian contacts and what he knew.

This would not be anything like the Clinton impeachment.

20 Republican senators would vote to convince t of the evidence was bad enough. I actually have some faith in them.

L L wrote:

Dems do not need to control the Senate for impeachment. Just the House.

Once impeachment happens, the Senate must have a trial. All evidence must be introduced and it will be a public event.

And Trump would have to testify. An impeachment trial without his testimony or attempt to defend himself would go well for him.

Then he would of course lie under oath.

And not lie about sex but lie about Russian contacts and what he knew.

This would not be anything like the Clinton impeachment.

20 Republican senators would vote to convince t of the evidence was bad enough. I actually have some faith in them.

The reason Dems need to take the house is an R House Speaker will not allow impeachment to move forward. Dems just need one more vote than 50% of the house members to impeach and send that matter to the Senate. The Senate conducts a detail impeach fact-finding.

At least 12 R Senators are likely to impeach Trump based on what is known so far. If the Senate is tied 50-50 then then the count is likely 62-38 to impeach. Trump's margin is just 5 R senators giving up on Trump in the months to come. This is a lot tighter than Trumpers have been lead to believe by Fox and Breitbart.

Russia dumped 84% of its American debt. Representing $81B. Although this is not a financial market big deal—China would be a yuge deal—this give you an idea of how much faith Putin has in Trump. Putin sees the Trumpcomy as a Trumptastrophy.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/30/investing/russia-us-debt-treasury/index.html

I have a very hard time believing that the Senate would convict Trump during an impeachment trial. No Senate Republican, NOT ONE, has shown even the slightest hint of a backbone.

Indeed, some of the GOP senators may be vulnerable to similar charges of being beholden to the Russians if one is to try to understand their actions to date.

Still waiting on the impeachment that has been predicted since election. At this point he'll serve out this term before anything can be decided. You better hope for a big swing with mid-terms or it'll be 4 more years in 2020. The silent majority keep speaking with their votes. #4moreyears

Yeah, a pee pee tape that you've never seen only heard false innuendos at best. But when it's Hillary and her factual problems...that's different. You 3 guys are the most laughable boneheads on these entire boards. Poor baby losers and you yearn for others to agree with you. LOL!!!!

Also, for the record, Flagpole will be wrong, that I guarantee 100%! Trump won't be impeached and Hillary did worse and walked away unscathed.

PIO! wrote:

PIO! wrote:

I have a very hard time believing that the Senate would convict Trump during an impeachment trial. No Senate Republican, NOT ONE, has shown even the slightest hint of a backbone.

Indeed, some of the GOP senators may be vulnerable to similar charges of being beholden to the Russians if one is to try to understand their actions to date.

Also, for the record, Flagpole will be wrong, that I guarantee 100%! Trump won't be impeached and Hillary did worse and walked away unscathed.

Do you think that there is anyone on this thread, even one single individual, who is fooled by your handle thievery?

Republican Senators who I think would vote to convict Trump if there was strong evidence of wrong doing in an impeachment trial.

Lindsey Graham

Susan Collins

Lisa Murkosky

Rob Portman

Marco Rubio

Dean Heller

Richard Shelby

Cory Gardner

Chuck Grassley

Joni Ernst

Mitch McConnell (if he was sure 67 votes were against)

John Kennedy

Roy Blunt

Pat Toomey

Ron Johnson

Rand Paul is a wildcard

John McCaine if he hangs in there

Corker and Flake for sure but they will be out by end of year.

Only the retiring Flake and Corker speak out against Trump but I think the others would vote to convict depending on how it shakes out.

As long as they get Pence in and a Pence doesn't get dragged down.

You hillary lovers need to move on. She lost. Accept it. McCain and Romney voters didn’t have incessant derangement syndrome.

Mueller has nothing. Trump knows he has nothing to worry about. It’s all theatrics.

Time to move on.

1100 wrote:

"There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign" -- Hope Hicks, 11/11/16

check plus

Hillary haters need to move on.

She's no longer there to campaign against.