Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Flagpole wrote:

What will Trump's biggest error in judgement turn out to be?

1) Not protecting Michael Cohen and ultimately not giving him a White House job initially?

2) Giving his children and son-in-law (especially Don Jr.) any authority?

3) Boning every woman in sight?

4) Conspiring with Russia?

5) Obstructing justice including the firing of James Comey?

6) Other?

seems clear to me that firing Comey was one of the two or three biggest political mistakes of the postwar era. Without that, no special counsel investigating, say, the mfing Trump Org CFO.

I mean holy cow what a dumas move.

BREAKING NEWS!!! wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Yep. This was suspected early on by Avenatti. He insinuated it but would not state it. I thought there was a great chance of this happening. The tip off? It had been reported that the three Cohen clients were Trump, Broidy, and Sean Hannity, but that turned out not to be true. The three clients (I mentioned this back when this happened) were Trump, Hannity, and the Trump Organization.

This is not shocking to me, because Trump is liar, and as much as he was hiding his sausage, this was bound to happen. Still just speculation at this point, but it will likely be shown to be true.

Yes. And it will likely come out that Elliott Broidy resigned because he used RNC money to make the payoff to Trump's knocked up playmate.

I agree that that is very likely. This goes to just how big of a creep and a liar that Trump is. Trump has continued to say over the last few years that he is worth over $10 billion dollars. During his presidency, experts have put his estimated worth at $3.7 billion initially and now down to $3.1 billion. I think that is even generous.

Let's assume Trump was worth $10 billion dollars as he says (he's not), A billion dollars is a thousand million dollars, so 10 billion dollars is ten thousand million dollars. So, being worth that, he couldn't pony up $1.6 million of his own money to pay off the Playboy Playmate? He had to go basically steal it from the RNC? A 4% return on $10 billion dollars is $400 million in one year. He couldn't afford a petty $1.6 million? He is so phony. Also shows that he is delusional. He believes he can just do these things as President and get away with them. Nope.

Mueller and the Southern District of New York are coming.

The clown is done.

Comic relief as we approach the 33,333 rd post:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/26/egyptian-zoo-accused-painting-donkey-to-look-like-zebra.html

agip wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

What will Trump's biggest error in judgement turn out to be?

1) Not protecting Michael Cohen and ultimately not giving him a White House job initially?

2) Giving his children and son-in-law (especially Don Jr.) any authority?

3) Boning every woman in sight?

4) Conspiring with Russia?

5) Obstructing justice including the firing of James Comey?

6) Other?

seems clear to me that firing Comey was one of the two or three biggest political mistakes of the postwar era. Without that, no special counsel investigating, say, the mfing Trump Org CFO.

I mean holy cow what a dumas move.

Definitely worth voting for.

DiscoGary wrote:

Comic relief as we approach the 33,333 rd post:

Sean Hannity is one of the best straight face comedians of all time. He is so good he has Trump convinced that the lies he tells are true.

Flagpole wrote:

Let's assume Trump was worth $10 billion dollars as he says (he's not), A billion dollars is a thousand million dollars, so 10 billion dollars is ten thousand million dollars. So, being worth that, he couldn't pony up $1.6 million of his own money to pay off the Playboy Playmate? He had to go basically steal it from the RNC? A 4% return on $10 billion dollars is $400 million in one year. He couldn't afford a petty $1.6 million? He is so phony.

Not only could he not afford $1.6 million for Bechard, he couldn't afford to pay Cohen the $130,000 back for the Daniels deal. Cohen had to get a HELOC on his house to come up with the money and then lied to his lender about what the money was for. President Baby Daddy is broke.

BREAKING NEWS!!! wrote:

And it gets worse.

It looks like the $1.6 million payoff was not for Elliott Broidy (former RNC Chair) impregnating a playboy model to get an abortion. It looks like the payoff was on Trump's behalf.

Breaking: Donald Trump conspired with Michael Cohen to pay off multiple other women prior to Election Day in 2016. They were also concerned about a pregnancy. Cohen has evidence and info in his possession and it must be released to the public. Now! #Basta

— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) July 26, 2018

This was definitely a possibility because Broidy is so close to Trump and Trump is okay with sexual assault.

Given this is 2018, there will be no moralistic outrage from the Christian Right. There are no rules with the Christian Right as long as they get the opportunity to regulate an individual's thoughts and actions..

Avenatti is playing a brilliant game against Russia's Prime Minister of Disinformation.

the christian right will never abandon trump. Cadet bonespurs could be caught with a dead boy or a live girl and he'd lose not an everlovin' soul.

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Let's assume Trump was worth $10 billion dollars as he says (he's not), A billion dollars is a thousand million dollars, so 10 billion dollars is ten thousand million dollars. So, being worth that, he couldn't pony up $1.6 million of his own money to pay off the Playboy Playmate? He had to go basically steal it from the RNC? A 4% return on $10 billion dollars is $400 million in one year. He couldn't afford a petty $1.6 million? He is so phony.

Not only could he not afford $1.6 million for Bechard, he couldn't afford to pay Cohen the $130,000 back for the Daniels deal. Cohen had to get a HELOC on his house to come up with the money and then lied to his lender about what the money was for. President Baby Daddy is broke.

Maybe he's broke. Doing a HELOC is money laundering for Trump's affairs.

If you listen to the tape Cohen knows what he is doing when Trump offers to "pay cash." Cohen disagrees and says he'll handle it. Cohen is fully aware the path between Trump and the payout to the National Enquirer cannot be direct.

it's not that the christian right loves trump's policies or his personality.

it's that they see Trump as the ultimate bulwark against the libs.

If trump goes away, it's lib this and lib that and their daughters will have to use the same bathrooms as trans kids and their boys will all turn gay and it will be abortion stores at the mall.

I'm half serious. They like trump for the same reason most repubs like him - he owns the libs.

Only the christians go a step further in their need to own the libs because they think their souls are at risk.

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

Not only could he not afford $1.6 million for Bechard, he couldn't afford to pay Cohen the $130,000 back for the Daniels deal. Cohen had to get a HELOC on his house to come up with the money and then lied to his lender about what the money was for. President Baby Daddy is broke.

Even if it wasn't money laundering, Trump has a very long history of making money promises and breaking them. Bankruptcies are a good example. Remember too, Trump cut his driver's salary. I have no doubt he would put off paying Cohen back.

agip wrote:

it's not that the christian right loves trump's policies or his personality.

it's that they see Trump as the ultimate bulwark against the libs.

If trump goes away, it's lib this and lib that and their daughters will have to use the same bathrooms as trans kids and their boys will all turn gay and it will be abortion stores at the mall.

I'm half serious. They like trump for the same reason most repubs like him - he owns the libs.

Only the christians go a step further in their need to own the libs because they think their souls are at risk.

Definitely some truth there. I still say Paternalism has a big part to do with it.

Odd too that MANY Christian Conservatives are so concerned with genitals. Go get a face lift or an organ transplant or even brain surgery and take medications that affect your mood and way of thinking, but don't go put your penis there of your vagina there or decide you'd like some breasts if were born a man. Ok to get them bigger if you are a woman though because that is attractive to most men, so that's ok. Oh, also apparently it is ok to "grab them by the pvssy".

Flagpole wrote:

The crazy thing is that if and when it is proven that Trump paid off a woman to keep quiet about an abortion, many (not all) "Christian Conservatives" will still support him. They will say he has a greater chance of stopping abortions than any other President, so they will rationalize their support of him. The reality is that THOSE Christian Conservatives really only care about Paternalism. If it were a woman president, even a conservative one, who got an abortion, they would all turn their backs on her, but if a man pays for an abortion of a pregnancy that he created, that's ok.

Just gotta keep women in their place which is the main idea behind Pro Life. Conservatives are for state's rights and individual freedoms except when it comes to a woman and her body or gays.

You say many things which are correct. The bolded statement is horrifyingly incorrect. The main idea behind Pro Life is to protect the innocent lives of the unborn. You may not think that such protection is a good idea. But your slanderous statement about the Pro Life movement is a disgusting abomination of a lie.

You should be ashamed.

I agree with your sentiment, that most of hte pro-life movement is motivated by a wish to save babies.

but

anyone who has been around for the last 50 years knows the danger the right wing sees in women having sex with no consequence, outside marriage. Call it free love or hooking up...the right wing sees women's chastity as one of the main bulwarks against cultural depravity.

And if women have to bear the children they carry, every time, yeah, women will be more chaste.

So it's both.

I have no doubt that many men view issues surrounding sexuality and reproduction through the lens of keeping women in the place. And Flagpole should absolutely be ashamed for making the comment he did (as I already pointed out).

So I think that you and I are in 100% agreement.

Post 33,333 .

Meh. I'm not saying many of them don't also want to protect the life of the unborn, but things would be very different if it were men who got pregnant. Paternalism is such a big part of the Christian right that often they can't see straight. Just convenient that protecting the unborn also goes hand in hand with telling women what to do. I'm definitely not ashamed. If the Christian right would behave differently, I would have a different opinion.

agip wrote:

the christian right will never abandon trump. Cadet bonespurs could be caught with a dead boy or a live girl and he'd lose not an everlovin' soul.

I think you are wrong about that. If there is credible evidence that Trump paid for an abortion, Trump will lose a LOT of support from the Christian right.

Trump lost the Christian right when he started ripping children from their parents. Franklin Graham came out against him and Trump scrambled to reverse course.

Abortion is far more toxic in evangelical politics. It's the third rail. Trump's abortion might not cause Evangelicals to vote Democrat, but a lot of them would stay home.

And it would have long term ramifications as well. More and more of the faithful would stay out of politics altogether. That's already happening to some extent. This would speed things up.

The Republican coalition would crumble.

We are close to agreement on this except that I think the Paternalism aspect is more than 50% reason for the Pro Life movement, and you believe it is more weighted on the other side. We could be just a few percentages off. It is without question both things as you said.

We will see how the Conservative Christians react to Trump getting a Playboy model pregnant and then paying for her to have an abortion and keeping quiet about it (if that indeed is the case). Now, they already look down on any woman who sheds her clothes for money, and they look even further down on a porn star, but as we have seen, they have already forgiven Trump (even though he didn't ask for forgiveness) for boning countless women who aren't his wife. Why? Paternalism rules, especially when he is of their political party.