Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

DiscoGary wrote:

Nope. He's laying the groundwork to protect the people around him from the Deep State witch hunt. The Deep State is using every power they have to take him out, and he's using every power he has to fight back.

No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it. If indeed Trump violated no law, then let the investigation finish. It will reach your desired conclusion, and it's all over.

Did Reagan have his own "Deep State?"

Did Cheney have his own "Deep State?"

When does someone inherit the "Deep State." Is it at the beginning of the second term? I need an explanation as to how it works.

DiscoGary wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Gary, without a hint of sarcasm, no reasonable person "hates" you personally for your political views. I certainly don't.

We disagree on political stuff. That's not the same thing as "hate." Not even close.

Well that's a relief.

Substitute "screaming at the walls" for "hating me" then.

Again, without a hint of sarcasm, there is no screaming. At all.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

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If indeed Trump violated no law, then let the investigation finish. It will reach your desired conclusion, and it's all over.

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Trump can't let it finish because it is not an investigation. It is not a legal proceeding. It is not searching for the truth. And it is not trying to protect Trump, our democracy, or the American people. It is a political coup. It has only one purpose, to drive Trump out of office using every power of the Deep State, and we are finding out that they are using powers they shouldn't have. Therefore, Trump should use every power he has as President to fight back.

This is not a search for justice, it is a struggle for power, and the American people MUST win.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Well that's a relief.

Substitute "screaming at the walls" for "hating me" then.

Again, without a hint of sarcasm, there is no screaming. At all.

Would you accept "crawling around in the Rat Maze looking for answers"?

Racket wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Gary, without a hint of sarcasm, no reasonable person "hates" you personally for your political views.

DG does not operate in a world of reason, but rather in one of self-interest and pseudo-Objectivism .

Maybe. Whatever views he has feel real to him. I'm not saying it's right. Just that Gary isn't the only one who latch onto fascism because it reflects their feelings. That's an important political reality that's happening all over the world.

How do you introduce compromise with people that emotionally attached to politics?

DiscoGary wrote:

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

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If indeed Trump violated no law, then let the investigation finish. It will reach your desired conclusion, and it's all over.

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Trump can't let it finish because it is not an investigation. It is not a legal proceeding. It is not searching for the truth. And it is not trying to protect Trump, our democracy, or the American people. It is a political coup. It has only one purpose, to drive Trump out of office using every power of the Deep State, and we are finding out that they are using powers they shouldn't have. Therefore, Trump should use every power he has as President to fight back.

This is not a search for justice, it is a struggle for power, and the American people MUST win.

It may be different where you live, but in the United States we have an adversarial justice system.

Democrats/gays lose again!!!!! It’s a great day!!!!!

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Racket wrote:

DG does not operate in a world of reason, but rather in one of self-interest and pseudo-Objectivism .

Maybe. Whatever views he has feel real to him. I'm not saying it's right. Just that Gary isn't the only one who latch onto fascism because it reflects their feelings. That's an important political reality that's happening all over the world.

How do you introduce compromise with people that emotionally attached to politics?

Democrats are the ones beating Republicans into silence.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Nope. He's laying the groundwork to protect the people around him from the Deep State witch hunt. The Deep State is using every power they have to take him out, and he's using every power he has to fight back.

No man is above the law and no man is below it: nor do we ask any man's permission when we ask him to obey it. If indeed Trump violated no law, then let the investigation finish. It will reach your desired conclusion, and it's all over.

Did Reagan have his own "Deep State?"

Did Cheney have his own "Deep State?"

When does someone inherit the "Deep State." Is it at the beginning of the second term? I need an explanation as to how it works.

Gary - can you please ask Trump on twitter to reveal the answers to these burning questions. We would all like to know more about the workings of this deep state - who runs it, are there voting rights, what are the membership terms, etc. Trump is the only one in a position to enlighten us on this most important matter that is the deep state. It is getting quite tedious and frustrating being in the dark about this secret web that is working so hard to destroy the President and the GOP-controlled government, both so powerless against it.

DiscoGary wrote:

This is not a search for justice, it is a struggle for power, and the American people MUST win.

LOL ... American people in your Trumper world are white, conservative, rednecks.

FYI: Trump's struggle for power is to appoint himself as dictator for life. He can then rape the Treasury at will. And hand out favors to his "loyal base".

Monkeys typing wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

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Trump can't let it finish because it is not an investigation. It is not a legal proceeding. It is not searching for the truth. And it is not trying to protect Trump, our democracy, or the American people. It is a political coup. It has only one purpose, to drive Trump out of office using every power of the Deep State, and we are finding out that they are using powers they shouldn't have. Therefore, Trump should use every power he has as President to fight back.

This is not a search for justice, it is a struggle for power, and the American people MUST win.

It may be different where you live, but in the United States we have an adversarial justice system.

In the United States I live in there has to be a crime before we seek justice.

DiscoGary wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

It may be different where you live, but in the United States we have an adversarial justice system.

In the United States I live in there has to be a crime before we seek justice.

um, there are 19 indictments and guilty pleas stemming from the investigation.

Therefore there are crimes and therefore you should be all in favor of the investigation.

blahgovich wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

In the United States I live in there has to be a crime before we seek justice.

um, there are 19 indictments and guilty pleas stemming from the investigation.

Therefore there are crimes and therefore you should be all in favor of the investigation.

Ahem- and NOT ONE related to anything done by an American from 2015-Nov 8, 2016. Not one.

Zilch wrote:

blahgovich wrote:

um, there are 19 indictments and guilty pleas stemming from the investigation.

Therefore there are crimes and therefore you should be all in favor of the investigation.

Ahem- and NOT ONE related to anything done by an American from 2015-Nov 8, 2016. Not one.

I'm not accepting your assertion as truth, but why do the dates matter to you? Your view is that crimes shouldn't be investigated and prosecuted unless they...unless they...what exactly?

DiscoGary wrote:

dictator trump wrote:

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Douglas Blackmon explained why Trump’s declaration that he has the “absolute right” to pardon himself of crimes is setting up a fight that could end up giving America’s executive branch dictatorial powers.

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Nonsense. Impeachment is the way to get rid of a President, and we still have that. Trump is as far away from a dictator as you can get. There is absolutely no way Trump will become a dictator and anyone who says so is as wrong as they could possibly be. If Trump actually breaks a law or does anything corrupt, he will be immediately thrown out of office. The threshold for impeachment for Trump is lower than any President we've ever had. No President was watched more closely than Trump.

1) I agree that Trump will not and can not become a dictator. He is too old for one thing. If he were 50 instead of over 70, that would be a more realistic concern. He IS doing things though that dictators do as they secure their power -- call the media liars and threaten their existence, threaten the judicial system, threaten the department of justice or equivalent, mention out loud that perhaps we should get rid of term limits for the president, thumbs nose at Constitution. We don't want what Trump is doing to become the norm, because that is one step closer to having someone come in later who pushes the envelope just that much more and could actually end up as a dictator. I think still far fetched, but we need to protect the checks and balances we have in place, the independence of the Department of Justice, the freedom of the press, so this isn't even a remote possibility down the line.

2) Trump has already broken laws while in office, so I disagree with you there that he would be immediately thrown out of office. There is no immediate way to remove a President like that. We are waiting for the Mueller report (or the Southern District of New York if they are faster) to see what is levied against him, and then likely the impeachment process will begin.

3) I agree that Trump is under more scrutiny than any other President, and that's all his doing. He lies. His campaign has had 75 known contacts with Russia during the campaign after Trump and his staff said there were no contacts which went to no collusion which went to no collusion that caused a change in the outcome of the election which has now gone to the President can't be subpoenaed, and he can pardon himself. He fired the guy investigating him and said he did it because of Russia for crying out loud. Can't involve yourself in dodgy behavior and then cry that you are being scrutinized. He brought it all on himself.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Impeachment is the control against a president acting like a dictator.

But I don't know the control against collusion with congress to empower the president.

It takes 34 out of 100 senators to acquit any impeachment.

So you only need 34 senators to stay blindly loyal to a president and then a president can break any law he wants or do anything at all that he wants.

Regardless of public opinion, the DOJ, The Supreme Court, any elections, etc.

Also, I don't believe the initial House vote for impeachment can happen without the Speaker calling for a vote.

Theoretically, Trump could threaten Paul Ryan's life if he calls for a vote and there would be no ramifications for Trump.

Remember how McConnell would not hold a vote for Obama's nomination of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court.

And there were no ramifications in place for that.

I believe Trump will push every legal and ethical path to its limit.

And his followers will support every move.

pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:

Racket wrote:

DG does not operate in a world of reason, but rather in one of self-interest and pseudo-Objectivism .

Maybe. Whatever views he has feel real to him. I'm not saying it's right. Just that Gary isn't the only one who latch onto fascism because it reflects their feelings. That's an important political reality that's happening all over the world.

How do you introduce compromise with people that emotionally attached to politics?

You can not rationalize someone out of a position they themselves did not enter into in a rational manner.

elected republicans are so terrified of trump that they won't even admit that the WH lies a lot.

bunch of terrified rabbits. God save the union.

They won't even describe reality any more. This is how democracy fails.

and the religious right is nothing but a laughing stock now. Their backing of someone who has broken almost every one of the 10 commandments...outrageous.

44.6% now baby!

Notice how many of the other polls, which are more Left-biased outlets/polls and tend to yield lower than average numbers, have stopped submitting poll results now that his numbers are steadily going up? No polls in the last months or so? Really? Hmmm.

https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html