Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Hambean MacLanahan wrote:

I am trying to understand the actual positions of Trump supporters. Can you answer these questions without mentioning Obama, Clinton, or using any Trumpisms or "talking points"? (Doubtful). Just answer in your own words with your own affirmative opinion--what you are for, NOT what you are against (i.e. whataboutisms or trying to draw equivalency).

1) Do you believe the intelligence reports, both domestic and international, that conclude that Russia interfered with our election and that that is a really big deal-we do not want other countries interfering in our elections?

2) Do you believe that we should investigate and must know the answer to how and why Russia interfered with our election?

3) Do you believe that Russian interference in our election could be a complex answer that is a combination of misinformation, bribes, influence, extortion...and so investigating financial transactions, meetings, travel, and anything else that could create either Kompromat or a quid quo pro arrangement must be examined?

4) Do you believe the Robert Mueller is a highly respected and ethical American and investigator and that his motives and process should not be obstructed or maligned before he has even completed the investigation?

5) Do you believe that Donald Trump is behaving like an innocent person?

6) Have you read a non-Conservative media summary of the investigation and, if so, do you believe that the investigation has uncovered much that is troubling and so the investigation is justified?

7) Do you want to know the truth of what happened, or do you not want to know the truth because it might have an impact on Donald Trump's Presidency?

8) Is Trump's criminality important to you? If he has in fact obstructed justice, or conspired in some degree or another with foreign nationals, or sold access to the White House, or laundered money, or committed other crimes either to gain office or to hold office, do you believe he should be held accountable or do you believe the President is above the law or that you don't care about the laws in this case because you want him to remain in office?

9) Do you believe what Trump says over findings by intelligence and investigators?

10) If we assume that Trump is completely innocent, do you believe that his Presidency (the way he conducts himself and the people he surrounds himself with) is a model for the office and a success that is improving the country and the world--this is what the we need more of in future Presidents?

11) Finally, do you think it would be good for the country for him to resign, even if completely innocent, just because his overall effect on the country is too destructive--that he has turned Americans against one another, he has weakened our institutions, he has undermined trust in Presidency, that his policies are too impulsive and motives too opaque--even if you like him and feel he has represented you that he has not representing the whole of the country, the majority of whom feel that he governs for just his base and own self interest? Should we have a President that caters to so few and ignores the rest--and who profits directly while in office from his own decisions? In short, even if you agree with some of his politics, can he still be a bad President who should resign because he can no longer be an effective leader for all?

Thank you.

Trollminator wrote:

unbelievable it is wrote:

First off, it is absolutely insane that there are people dumb enough or brain washed enough to still support Trump now, almost a year and a half into this never ending disgrace and disaster of a presidency. Trumps major accomplishments so far are attacking Americans, attacking the constitution, supporting racism and sexism, being in a state of constant scandal, making America untrustworthy for our Allies, removing America from its leadership position in the world for the first time since WWII, constantly hoping to wash Putin's jockstrap, lying to the American public probably every single day (usually multiple times a day), taking more time off that any President, wasting far more tax payer on money on vacations than any president in history, going back on our deals (again: untrustworthy and unreliable), disgracing America in front of world leaders, embarrassing and disgracing America with basically his every action and word. Oh and I forgot, his ONE big policy thing he did was funnel lots of money to the rich thus ballooning our deficit/debt despite the fact that the economy is doing fine and has been doing fine for years, unlike a decade ago when the economy was collapsing and we actually needed to go into debt.

When there are still people who support that walking disaster you know there is little hope for America. A year and a half in and Trump is doing his utmost to make america terrible again.

And all you really need to know about Trump supporters is the quote above. That quote, which seemingly every Trump supporter believes in, shows how out of touch with reality and how willing to change the results of history and reality in order to live in their fanatical bubble of backwards republicanism and hatred. This person is saying Trump won the popular vote hahaha, even though he lost by 2.9 million votes. But oh apparently it was California's fault for you know, actually counting all their votes and not just the votes for Trump. These people don't understand the definition of democracy, just like as we have all seen Trump doesn't understand democracy and has no regard or respect for democracy or many other American institutions and values, like the rule of law, our nation of immigrants, every person having equal rights, the first amendment, and on and on. If ever there was a wholly un-American president it is Trump. Remember when people used to respect and have pride in the leadership of this country...that was a long year and a half ago.

I know but we are stuck with him. And short of irrefutable criminal evidence being presented to Congress (even that may not do it), he’s here through 2020. He has to be VOTED OUT, the democratic system allowed him to run and get elected (with some Russian assistance), but we can’t have a constitutional crisis. Americans have to be accountable and come to the conclusion that he was a disaster and never vote like that again. That’s the most constructive outcome, unless an impeachment would prevent a nuclear winter - but in all honesty the bulk of the irreparable damage is done.

Noticer of dominance wrote:

Hambean MacLanahan wrote:

I am trying to understand the actual positions of Trump supporters. Can you answer these questions without mentioning Obama, Clinton, or using any Trumpisms or "talking points"? (Doubtful). Just answer in your own words with your own affirmative opinion--what you are for, NOT what you are against (i.e. whataboutisms or trying to draw equivalency).

1) Do you believe the intelligence reports, both domestic and international, that conclude that Russia interfered with our election and that that is a really big deal-we do not want other countries interfering in our elections?

2) Do you believe that we should investigate and must know the answer to how and why Russia interfered with our election?

3) Do you believe that Russian interference in our election could be a complex answer that is a combination of misinformation, bribes, influence, extortion...and so investigating financial transactions, meetings, travel, and anything else that could create either Kompromat or a quid quo pro arrangement must be examined?

4) Do you believe the Robert Mueller is a highly respected and ethical American and investigator and that his motives and process should not be obstructed or maligned before he has even completed the investigation?

5) Do you believe that Donald Trump is behaving like an innocent person?

6) Have you read a non-Conservative media summary of the investigation and, if so, do you believe that the investigation has uncovered much that is troubling and so the investigation is justified?

7) Do you want to know the truth of what happened, or do you not want to know the truth because it might have an impact on Donald Trump's Presidency?

8) Is Trump's criminality important to you? If he has in fact obstructed justice, or conspired in some degree or another with foreign nationals, or sold access to the White House, or laundered money, or committed other crimes either to gain office or to hold office, do you believe he should be held accountable or do you believe the President is above the law or that you don't care about the laws in this case because you want him to remain in office?

9) Do you believe what Trump says over findings by intelligence and investigators?

10) If we assume that Trump is completely innocent, do you believe that his Presidency (the way he conducts himself and the people he surrounds himself with) is a model for the office and a success that is improving the country and the world--this is what the we need more of in future Presidents?

11) Finally, do you think it would be good for the country for him to resign, even if completely innocent, just because his overall effect on the country is too destructive--that he has turned Americans against one another, he has weakened our institutions, he has undermined trust in Presidency, that his policies are too impulsive and motives too opaque--even if you like him and feel he has represented you that he has not representing the whole of the country, the majority of whom feel that he governs for just his base and own self interest? Should we have a President that caters to so few and ignores the rest--and who profits directly while in office from his own decisions? In short, even if you agree with some of his politics, can he still be a bad President who should resign because he can no longer be an effective leader for all?

Thank you.

I'll answer them, when you admit that Obama and Clinton were undeniably crooks. Can you answer that without mentioning Trump?

Runningart2004 wrote:

blahgovich wrote:

Trump just stood in front of the graduates of the Naval Academy and told them lie after lie. One lie like that and any of them would have been tossed out of the Academy. And the grads had to hear those lies from a draft dodger who is their commander in chief.

Good Americans do not support this president. Dodgy, morally compromised proto-fascists do support this president.

No, name calling doesn’t move this country forward. It perpetuates the “us” vs “them” mentality.

I know a lot of people who voted for Trump and continue to support him. There are relatively sane people who still support Trump. Once the “other side” realizes this we can move forward. The same can be said with Clinton supporters. Sane Trump supporters I think can be categorized this way: Those who support the GOP cause. A GOP President will push GOP issues. Evangelicals will support a morally corrupt Trump because he’s tied to their agenda. Most military folks will support Trump for the same reason. Lemmings will always follow their piper off the cliff.

Alan