Racket wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
No one can say that either one way or the other, so the test has to be whether there was coordinated cheating...and again, I set this as a criteria for me being right about the 2016 election before the election.
I'm only going to track and hold you responsible for your claims of Mueller coming and the clown being done. There are too many variables for the 2016 election, your criteria doesn't seem as well defined, and it's close to two years in the past now.
I would caution you in general though in giving credit to the Russians for the election outcome if collusion is found. The American public, not Russia, proved themselves to be capable of a hatred and stupidity that most thought impossible. Americans we're primed and gullible enough to believe any stupid fake news their racist aunt shared on Facebook.
I have never said Trump won because of Russia. I have only said that if cheating is discovered, then he can not really be the winner, because cheaters can not win. It is IMPOSSIBLE to know if the Russian interference was enough to change what could have been a victory for HRC to a win for DJT, so debating that is useless. In the Olympics, when someone is found to have cheated, there is never a discussion of whether said cheating was for sure the thing that enabled them to win...they are simply stripped of their medal. Same is true here, and that was my example the whole time.
I will say though that it is LIKELY (though again, no one can say for sure one way or the other) that the Russian interference, including fake ads and memes and fake gatherings and the drip drip drip of stolen e-mails had an effect. We don't spend money on advertising because it DOESN'T work. People in this thread are still spewing incorrect information that was planted by Russians. The effort of the Russians did many things...suppressed the vote for Democrats, caused big rift between Bernie and Hillary supporters, riled up voters to vote for Trump who didn't normally vote. Now, the Democrats were responsible for a lot of that too, and even though she wasn't as flawed as Trumpers and Russians painted her, Hillary was a flawed candidate, but we have laws in place to protect our elections that include no help from a foreign power.
So, just to be clear, I understand that you will not be judging that part now, but IF conspiracy (or bribery) with Russia is proven, then I will be right about the 2016 election, for cheaters can not be winners.