celebrate wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Who? That was so long ago it doesn't matter.
No, it wasn't that long ago and that's a stupid stance to take. The S.O.L. is not 5 years dumbo.
There is some truth in your words.
celebrate wrote:
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Who? That was so long ago it doesn't matter.
No, it wasn't that long ago and that's a stupid stance to take. The S.O.L. is not 5 years dumbo.
There is some truth in your words.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I think that Mueller's statement indicates the president is in slightly less legal jeopardy than previously thought. Of course, that could all change if he incriminates himself under oath.
I also think that if Mueller had enough evidence right now to indict the president of egregious crimes, he would not be able to say that Trump is not a target.
Or, it's a way to encourage the President to sit down and run his mouth like the idiot he is, AND THEN, prosecute. Again though, we are getting into a very murky situation where Executive powers might prevent Mueller from prosecuting.
Maybe the outcome is not criminal proceedings at all, but the basis of impeachment?
I've said all along that it could be that Trump himself is such an idiot he really did nothing but be an idiot during the campaign while his hires were successfully compromised targets of Russian Statecraft. That is believable. It's also obvious he has a friendly stance with Russia because he was laundering money for Russians with his real estate projects.
Well as they say............put up or shut up. Idle speculation with no basis in facts or concrete evidence does no one any good, in particular the author of the allegations (you, and perhaps MSLSD). Perhaps you can take your obvious Russian money laundering evidence to Mueller and see if its something he can use. Perhaps he'll give you a finders fee for it. Or your theories on the obstruction charge which would of course lead to impeachment. I think I'm gonna watch some fantasy syfi movies this weekend.
Also told... wrote:
Count Chocula wrote:
The article's title suggest that his resignation is due to him being a birther, which is based on information from 5-6 years ago. He posted plenty of anti-Obama material since then (which is grounds enough for his resignation, in my opinion).
He also told his followers not to "like" his posts as a way of protecting him because of his job at the DoD. So, he knew he was not meeting the requirements of the job. He took the job anyway, and pretty much lied that he was complying with the rules--not attacking a sitting president regardless of your personal political ideology.
Right. Like I said, I'm not defending him, and I think his behavior since taking the job has more than warranted his resignation, but posting a false article about Obama 5 years before you take a job in the Trump administration should not be the disqualifying factor. My issue is more with CNN's claim that his 'birther' post from 2012 is the real problem, when it reality it was his continued postings about Obama had nothing to do with alleged birthplace.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
celebrate wrote:
Yes, we all know that the Clintons are corrupt and stole money, have possible ties to murder, etc...BUT THEY WERE NEVER CONVICTED. I agree that they should have been, but the system gave them a free pass so should Trump get one too?
So what evidence do you have that Trump has done anything even close to what the Clinton's have gotten away with for years?
And what evidence of crimes do you have that the Clinton's have gotten away with for years? And, no, a Fox News or Breitbart conspiracy is not evidence.
Fat hurts wrote:
qwerty squared wrote:
And your understanding of yesterday's news about Mueller's investigation is simply wrong. A 'subject' of an investigation can become a 'target' at any moment. Mueller is choosing his words carefully and letting the world know that Trump is being investigated. For that matter, there could already be sealed indictments. It's likely obstruction of justice will be used to start impeachment proceedings. The bigger crimes will come later.
I may be wrong but I think we can rule out sealed indictments. It would be unethical for Mueller to declare that Trump is not a target when he really is.
Sure, prosecutors do lie. And sometimes they do it for strategic reasons. But I don't think Mueller would want to taint his investigation in that way.
You might be right, but what I've read in the past 24 hours seems to indicate that it is not unethical for Mueller to withhold calling Trump a 'target' of the investigation if doing so would "jeopardize the investigation or prosecution."
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
celebrate wrote:
No, it wasn't that long ago and that's a stupid stance to take. The S.O.L. is not 5 years dumbo.
There is some truth in your words.
Posted the username thief. Sigh...
I'm using Trump logic. The Trump response to multiple felony pleas Mueller delivered was that it was so long ago it didn't matter. Therefore, Clinton anything was so long ago it doesn't matter.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Well as they say............put up or shut up.
More than a fifth of all Trump condo sales were all-cash transactions by shell companies
https://www.curbed.com/2018/1/12/16885354/trump-condo-money-laundering-reporthttps://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868Your move.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
The Trump administration now says that immigration judges will be evaluated on reaching a quota of at least 700 cases per year.
So their solution is not to add more judges and courts. Rather, it's just to speed up these sham trials and deport as many people as possible. Never mind that many will be (and already are) murdered once they get back home.
These so-called immigration "trials" are disgusting already. Many of the "trials" last only a few seconds. There is no right to council, even though the judge's decision is often a matter of life and death. Only about 1/3 of all defendants are able to retain a lawyer.
And get this, it doesn't matter if you are a child. There have been children as young as 3 years old who have been forced to represent themselves in immigration court.
Donald Trump is godless, heartless, and sleazy. He needs to go. This is not what America stands for.
Please provide verifiable references for your allegations. Particularly the one that the 3 year olds representing themselves.
I'm not Fat Hurts, but I can help with this. This has been in the news this week.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/can-a-3-year-old-represent-herself-in-immigration-court-this-judge-thinks-so/2016/03/03/5be59a32-db25-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.htmlBent flagpole wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I am pleasantly surprised today to not see any of you Trumpers declaring victory on the news that Mueller has told Trump's lawyers that he is not a target of the investigation right now. So, good show there Trumpers.
In that same Washington Post story, it has been confirmed now that Trump IS though a subject of Mueller's criminal investigation.
So...
Target is the worst thing to be. Means charges are likely due to information already received.
Subject is next worst. Means reason to believe you might have done something criminal and that you are under criminal investigation.
Not sure why Mueller would let the Trump team know where he is right now. Perhaps trying to make him feel comfortable giving an interview.
This is actually not good news for Trump. At one point he was not personally under investigation. Now, it has been confirmed that he is.
There's nothing to celebrate because we aren't taking it seriously to begin with.
As you seethe with frustration everyday, and cross your fingers hard in hopes of "something" to take POTUS45 down, we laugh and mock you. The Russia collusion story never had legs. NEVER. Van Jones was right. Indicting some periphery faceless foreigners is meant to support the narrative, but it's clear there are no crimes here. As Dershowitz points out, there was no probable cause to begin with.
Being a subject is not being "personally under investigation" (it was stated as "criminal investigation" back when Mueller made that statement as well). I believe this statement from Mueller was made to appease both sides- Trump can now say he hasn't done anything wrong, and his opponents can say (like you, now) he's still "under investigation." "Oooo- that must mean something!"
But make no mistake, if there was ANY shred of evidence of criminal wrongdoing from Trump, this statement would not have been provided by Mueller.
Very good news for Trump indeed.
So, as we've been saying for a year and a half now.....
Mueller [just said he] isn't coming.
The clown remains Flagpole.
You are wrong, brother. This is the first confirmation we have that Trump himself is under investigation. It is not good news for him. This investigation has always focused on the little fish first, so it is not surprising that Trump is not yet a Target and is still a Subject. He wasn't a Subject initially, and it has progressed to the point that he now is. Mueller didn't even begin until July 2017, so he's not even a year in. It's amazing the stuff he's found since then. Mueller actually has NOT said he isn't coming. This is what I thought some of you would have said before I posted today, but no one had, so I was pleasantly surprised. Now, with you I no longer am.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Plus One wrote:
Bent flagpole wrote:
There's nothing to celebrate because we aren't taking it seriously to begin with.
As you seethe with frustration everyday, and cross your fingers hard in hopes of "something" to take POTUS45 down, we laugh and mock you. The Russia collusion story never had legs. NEVER. Van Jones was right. Indicting some periphery faceless foreigners is meant to support the narrative, but it's clear there are no crimes here. As Dershowitz points out, there was no probable cause to begin with.
Being a subject is not being "personally under investigation" (it was stated as "criminal investigation" back when Mueller made that statement as well). I believe this statement from Mueller was made to appease both sides- Trump can now say he hasn't done anything wrong, and his opponents can say (like you, now) he's still "under investigation." "Oooo- that must mean something!"
But make no mistake, if there was ANY shred of evidence of criminal wrongdoing from Trump, this statement would not have been provided by Mueller.
Very good news for Trump indeed.
So, as we've been saying for a year and a half now.....
Mueller [just said he] isn't coming.
The clown remains Flagpole.
This.
The good thing is you can see cracks are starting to get larger in the Bubble with regard to Trump being found guilty of anything. Late Night, SNL skits, etc are now no-so-confident nature. Why do you think Stormy was pushed so hard to the front by whomever had the dough for her? It's not like the story is relevant to anything other than trying to perpetuate the media narrative Trump vs women. It happen a decade ago for god's sake.
So, you use SNL and other late night television to tell you how an investigation is going? Interesting. Also, the Stormy Daniels AFFAIR happened MORE than a decade ago, but the payoff and lying about it happened in 2016 just before the election, and there is still a possibility that a crime was committed there with where the money came from. The Stormy Daniels story is more about Trump being a liar than a misogynist. He is both for sure, but this story shows he's a HUGE liar and he is surrounded by goons. Completely relevant, and not a "far left liberal media" going after him. Many Democrats have been felled by trysts with women in my lifetime -- Gary Hart, John Edwards, Bill Clinton to name just some. With Trump, he's such a bad person that of course he f*cked some porn star and then paid her to keep quiet. It's not even at the top of the list of things most Americans are concerned about with him, but it it relevant. We have to assume at least SOME sense of honesty with regard to our President, and Trump has taken lying to a whole new level.
This Mueller investigation can not be complete without an interview with Trump, and when that happens, he WILL perjure himself unless all he does is plead the 5th, and then that will be a big problem for him too.
Fat hurts wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I am pleasantly surprised today to not see any of you Trumpers declaring victory on the news that Mueller has told Trump's lawyers that he is not a target of the investigation right now. So, good show there Trumpers.
In that same Washington Post story, it has been confirmed now that Trump IS though a subject of Mueller's criminal investigation.
So...
Target is the worst thing to be. Means charges are likely due to information already received.
Subject is next worst. Means reason to believe you might have done something criminal and that you are under criminal investigation.
Not sure why Mueller would let the Trump team know where he is right now. Perhaps trying to make him feel comfortable giving an interview.
This is actually not good news for Trump. At one point he was not personally under investigation. Now, it has been confirmed that he is.
I think the Trumpers maybe should be celebrating a little bit.
Mueller is a straight shooter. He's not trying to "trick" the president into testifying. He doesn't need to do that because Mueller already has subpoena power. If these reports are accurate, Mueller is simply telling it like it is.
There has been a LOT of smoke concerning the godless Trump's activities. He certainly LOOKS like a guy who committed crimes. Whether it's money laundering, tax evasion, criminal conspiracy, or obstruction of justice, it sure SEEMS like it would be easy to bring criminal charges.
So if Trump is not a target at this point, why not?
For a few months I've worked under the theory that the ultimate target of the Mueller investigation is Vladimir Putin. It may be that Mueller isn't that interested in prosecuting the president. Instead, he wants to do what he can to help bring down the Russian crime syndicate. That would be more in keeping with Mueller's mandate.
And if that's Mueller's end game, I support him 100%.
I agree that Mueller doesn't need to trick Trump into testifying. I still say he should not be celebrating. We had never had confirmation before that Trump was even a Subject, and now we do. So, just let that sink in a little bit...the sitting US President is a Subject in a criminal investigation performed under the umbrella of the FBI about how and why Russia interfered with our election.
That is NOT good news for him.
Tibetan Tom wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
I am pleasantly surprised today to not see any of you Trumpers declaring victory on the news that Mueller has told Trump's lawyers that he is not a target of the investigation right now. So, good show there Trumpers.
In that same Washington Post story, it has been confirmed now that Trump IS though a subject of Mueller's criminal investigation.
So...
Target]/b] is the worst thing to be. Means charges are likely due to information already received.
Subject is next worst. Means reason to believe you might have done something criminal and that you are under criminal investigation.
Not sure why Mueller would let the Trump team know where he is right now. Perhaps trying to make him feel comfortable giving an interview.
This is actually not good news for Trump. At one point he was not personally under investigation. Now, it has been confirmed that he is.
Flagpole - you have no idea what you are talking about. After 9 months of ruthless investigation into everything about the election and everything about Trump, for Mueller to concede that Trump is only a subject of the investigation means that Mueller thinks after all this time there is insufficient evidence that Trump committed a crime. After 9 months. As Jonathon Turley said, the only thing lesser than to be a subject of an investigation is to the a witness. "Next worse" - you have no clue what you are talking about.
There are only three possibilities in this type of investigation:
Target
Subject
Witness
As the investigation continues, Targets are likely to have charges leveled against them. Of the two remaining, Witnesses are the least likely to have charges leveled against them, and Subjects are more likely. The status of a person can and does change through the course of an investigation. So, what I said was true. Being a Subject of a criminal investigation (which Trump is and now has been confirmed) is the "next worse" when looking at all three possibilities.
No one should be happy to be told that they are the Subject of a criminal investigation, especially not one under the umbrella of the FBI.
Jeff Wigand wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Please provide verifiable references for your allegations. Particularly the one that the 3 year olds representing themselves.
I'm not Fat Hurts, but I can help with this. This has been in the news this week.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/can-a-3-year-old-represent-herself-in-immigration-court-this-judge-thinks-so/2016/03/03/5be59a32-db25-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html
You should know me well enough to know that I don't post wild allegations.
I checked with several reliable sources before posting that children as young as three are forced to represent themselves in immigration court. It does sound too crazy to be true. But it is true. And the Trump administration is making the problem worse.
Again, Donald Trump is godless, heartless, and sleazy. He needs to go. This is not what America stands for.
Fat hurts wrote:
qwerty squared wrote:
And your understanding of yesterday's news about Mueller's investigation is simply wrong. A 'subject' of an investigation can become a 'target' at any moment. Mueller is choosing his words carefully and letting the world know that Trump is being investigated. For that matter, there could already be sealed indictments. It's likely obstruction of justice will be used to start impeachment proceedings. The bigger crimes will come later.
I may be wrong but I think we can rule out sealed indictments. It would be unethical for Mueller to declare that Trump is not a target when he really is.
Sure, prosecutors do lie. And sometimes they do it for strategic reasons. But I don't think Mueller would want to taint his investigation in that way.
I think you are right here, and I hope so. I think more likely is that the investigation is just still ongoing and not much time has been spent focusing on Trump just yet. I know it seems like a long time for people in today's world of instant gratification, but Mueller has only been on the job since July. For an investigation of this type, that is not that long at all. Very short in fact.
Flagpole wrote:
Tibetan Tom wrote:
Flagpole - you have no idea what you are talking about. After 9 months of ruthless investigation into everything about the election and everything about Trump, for Mueller to concede that Trump is only a subject of the investigation means that Mueller thinks after all this time there is insufficient evidence that Trump committed a crime. After 9 months. As Jonathon Turley said, the only thing lesser than to be a subject of an investigation is to the a witness. "Next worse" - you have no clue what you are talking about.
There are only three possibilities in this type of investigation:
Target
Subject
Witness
As the investigation continues, Targets are likely to have charges leveled against them. Of the two remaining, Witnesses are the least likely to have charges leveled against them, and Subjects are more likely. The status of a person can and does change through the course of an investigation. So, what I said was true. Being a Subject of a criminal investigation (which Trump is and now has been confirmed) is the "next worse" when looking at all three possibilities.
No one should be happy to be told that they are the Subject of a criminal investigation, especially not one under the umbrella of the FBI.
Mueller is like a Fed Chairman, he doesn't want to spook the masses, so he's going to give them forward guidance. The investigation started by not officially recognizing Trump as part of it at all. Then it was revealed that several people close to Trump were subjects, who then became targets, with some going to jail. Now Trump has been upgraded from nobody to subject and later will be upgraded from subject to target. It's all very subtle as to provide cushion for the fallout. Mueller will get to the truth while managing to keep this from become a full political crisis to the best of his ability. Trump has the attention span of a fish while Mueller has algorithmically complex thinking, he's already 20 steps ahead in a game of chess while keeping Trump believing they are playing marbles.
Flagpole wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
I think the Trumpers maybe should be celebrating a little bit.
Mueller is a straight shooter. He's not trying to "trick" the president into testifying. He doesn't need to do that because Mueller already has subpoena power. If these reports are accurate, Mueller is simply telling it like it is.
There has been a LOT of smoke concerning the godless Trump's activities. He certainly LOOKS like a guy who committed crimes. Whether it's money laundering, tax evasion, criminal conspiracy, or obstruction of justice, it sure SEEMS like it would be easy to bring criminal charges.
So if Trump is not a target at this point, why not?
For a few months I've worked under the theory that the ultimate target of the Mueller investigation is Vladimir Putin. It may be that Mueller isn't that interested in prosecuting the president. Instead, he wants to do what he can to help bring down the Russian crime syndicate. That would be more in keeping with Mueller's mandate.
And if that's Mueller's end game, I support him 100%.
I agree that Mueller doesn't need to trick Trump into testifying. I still say he should not be celebrating. We had never had confirmation before that Trump was even a Subject, and now we do. So, just let that sink in a little bit...the sitting US President is a Subject in a criminal investigation performed under the umbrella of the FBI about how and why Russia interfered with our election.
That is NOT good news for him.
THIS^. BIGLY BAD NEWS FOR TRUMP.
It's funny to see how the Trumpers continue moving the goalposts ever so gradually. From it's a hoax to Trump is vindicated by being a 'subject' of the investigation. Ask any criminal defense lawyer if being named a subject of an investigation is a good thing. It's not.
A little secret for Trumpers... Mueller has been moving the goalposts for you, preparing the public for the big news yet to come. Drip, drip, drip.
Thank you for staying on top, Flagpole. You've done a beautiful ob of intellectually dominating these spiteful little boys and old men. No follow up post from me on this so if there is a post, it's the handle thief.
You. Are. THE. Man.
qwerty squared wrote:
THIS^. BIGLY BAD NEWS FOR TRUMP.
It's funny to see how the Trumpers continue moving the goalposts ever so gradually. From it's a hoax to Trump is vindicated by being a 'subject' of the investigation. Ask any criminal defense lawyer if being named a subject of an investigation is a good thing. It's not.
A little secret for Trumpers... Mueller has been moving the goalposts for you, preparing the public for the big news yet to come. Drip, drip, drip.
This is something I've been thinking about lately. I think you make a good point about moving the goalposts gradually. If Mueller ever does indict the president, it would have to be done in a way that the public is ready for it.
Think what would happen in Mueller filed charges today. Assume Mueller presents evidence to a judge that is just as serious as the evidence against Manafort.
Would he be treated like Manafort?
Would he face house arrest in the White House?
Would he wear an ankle bracelet?
Would he be deemed to be the biggest flight risk of all time and therefore be taken into custody?
The whole world would go nuts.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Well as they say............put up or shut up.
More than a fifth of all Trump condo sales were all-cash transactions by shell companies
https://www.curbed.com/2018/1/12/16885354/trump-condo-money-laundering-reporthttps://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/19/trump-first-moscow-trip-215842https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868Your move.
I'm glad that I was forced to register my name so that my thoughts, as moronic as they may be, are credited to me, a 63 year old man grasping for straws. I agree that the Clintons were both corrupt and did awful things (Travelgate, Whitewater, Starbucks and Mahoney, etc...), but they got away with it and in the end weren't prosecuted. Trump has not done anything close to their level, but I still wish Hillary would have won as I'm a Democrat thru and thru, I believe the Government should intervene and give away free programs like Obama did. Wait, he skyrocketed deductibles to thousands of dollars per person but said we could keep our own doctor and insurance companies...come to think of it, he scammed us good!
Democrats=More Government and More Free Programs.
I posted early on, first 20 pages and I truly can't believe this thread is still going. Is there like a dozen posters that just keep repeating themselves?
Flagpole on August 23rd, 2017, page 569
---What we will see though is a Trump who doesn't finish his first term...he will resign before it's over and blame everyone and their brother. ZERO chance he finishes his first term.
---The fact is that he is a stark raving loon, and everyone and their brother in DC knows it. He will either be impeached and removed from office, he will resign, or he will be removed via the 25th Amendment (page 642).
I think you need to go out for a run at least once a week, it'll do you some good. You guys are bloody obsessed!!! In the end, what have you solved? Life is far too short to argue over and over. Good luck, I'll check back in around Christmas as I'm sure you'll still be on here wanting to be heard.
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