You letsrun guys are killing hs freshman...

agree,

0/10

Try harder.

some pretty desperate troll attempts tonight

I was gonna be all like, "how'd you find out?"

Then I realized you meant figuratively, now I'm like "whatever".

No troll. Look at Peter Snell, he did good speed but only 30mpw tops. Look at how strong and fast he is, don't you want americans like those?

Ruining careers wrote:

A kid will post some thing like, "I ran 5:13 8th grade off 15-20mpw in my first season, what should I do to get better?" Then you guys be like "run 60mpw base and do strides and hill bounds and make sure you do your pushups and tempos."

Please link to an example of this.

My thread dude. http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7817882&page=3

1600/800 guy wrote:

My thread dude.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7817882&page=3

Nobody told you to do pushups.

This is hilarious because it's true

Ruining careers wrote:

A kid will post some thing like, "I ran 5:13 8th grade off 15-20mpw in my first season, what should I do to get better?" Then you guys be like "run 60mpw base and do strides and hill bounds and make sure you do your pushups and tempos." LIKE, THE FUK?! These kids run fast times on low mileage, they should be doing 30mpw max and trying to see their capabilities freshman year. Not doing any specific stuff, just running to run and to workout. You guys ruin future talent and maybe that is why us New Zeland runners will always be better.

You are right, in part. Your complaint has been registered and you will hear back from us. Thanks.

Ruining careers wrote:

A kid will post some thing like, "I ran 5:13 8th grade off 15-20mpw in my first season, what should I do to get better?" Then you guys be like "run 60mpw base and do strides and hill bounds and make sure you do your pushups and tempos." LIKE, THE FUK?! These kids run fast times on low mileage, they should be doing 30mpw max and trying to see their capabilities freshman year. Not doing any specific stuff, just running to run and to workout. You guys ruin future talent and maybe that is why us New Zeland runners will always be better.

I don't think anyone is telling high school kids that pushups are a necessary part of training. Other than that:

a) Yes, a runner will get better if they work their way up to higher mileage.

b) Are you honestly arguing that people shouldn't do tempos? If done correctly, tempos provide great benefit with little stress.

c) Do you really think that kids shouldn't be doing strides? Are you under the impression that getting up to 800m pace for 15 seconds at a time is going to destroy a runner?

Ruining careers wrote:

No troll. Look at Peter Snell, he did good speed but only 30mpw tops. Look at how strong and fast he is, don't you want americans like those?

Wrong.

Anyone who changes their practice solely based on what some anonymous poster says on the internet probably deserves what they get. It's a starting point to get ideas, but you need to talk to people you trust or do some other digging on your own. I don't think anyone here is saying to go from 20 to 60 mpw directly. You get a base mileage and increase by 5 or so per week and hold that for several weeks (4) and then proceed upward. It would take over 7 months to make that type of progression.

Anyone posting on LR looking for advice is not going to get 1 useful answer.

Here's an idea....buy a book written by a well known running coach and in the case of teenagers they should read books designed for teenagers not adults.

Increased mileage has killed more running careers than it has helped.

Completely agree. I had a bad stress fracture after 60 miles a week pretty hard over the summer. That winter I did 30-45(max) miles a week, had a great season in track and came back very well from the injury. 30 hard miles with less crap miles is far more efficient than 60 miles where you count literally every mile you run no matter how easy--that's not actually helping you. I max'd out at 10 miles long run once i hit 45, and my paces for the ten mile long run were well ahead of what i was running for 8 miles in the 60 miles system. If you're on the fence, I recommend you try it with proper guidance.