Tinman coaching

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What's the web address too anyone

Drew. Hunter.

Morgan. Pearson.

scarecrow would be better. can't beat lion though.

xlev2 wrote:

What's the web address too anyone

runningprs.com

If you want to learn more about him, check out the interview he did for the Smartercoaching podcast. Available on iTunes.

I would absolutely recommend Tom. He's brilliant as a coach and a genuinely great person.

He has a real knack for reading what an athlete needs.

runningprs.com

therunzone.com

To add on, some of the other great runners he's coached at the masters level:

Andrew Duncan

Kevin Miller

http://www.runnersworld.com/masters/age-group-ace-millers-crossing

Tom Bernhard

Some of the pros that he is coaching or has coached are known, with a few mentioned previously in this thread. He has coached a number of pros as well who I am not at liberty to mention, some of them being coached by him while the athletes original coaches were still "coaching", but in name only.

I am a no-talent nobody and he really helped me along to achieve my best.

I would love to try a coach... if I hit bonus every quarter I may try a 3 month cycle. I focus on strength too much because i hate intervals. I need someone to crack the whip and tell me to do it

Does anyone have an example of what a week would be like? I'm just trying to get an idea of what mileage/ workouts he goes off of. I think I read that he bases things off 90% VO2 effort, or something like that?

There may be something to the notion that pushing the workouts harms you or brings you to a rapid and shallow peak, but I'm not sure that this applies as much to the longer as to the shorter stuff. In my first workouts after three weeks easy, I dropped probably a second or two average on 200s and 2-3 seconds on 400s in repeating a 10x200/10x400 workout (on equal distance jog) from last week and today. Is it typical to see such improvements stall after a month or so of speedwork?

Tom is smart but arrogant. His ego is his downfall.

He's a good coach but he's ripe to put others down and claim others are stealing from him. He once went on a long rant about how Greg McMillan ripped off all of his calculators.

He's claimed to be coaching a few guys who he emailed once or twice and he didn't actually coach at all.

The point is, the guy is smart, but he's a bit of a whack job.

TinmanTrained wrote:

I would absolutely recommend Tom. He's brilliant as a coach and a genuinely great person.

I´m not so sure about his personality. His temper gets out of control sometimes. It has happened a lot in these boards, when he was still around here.

"Andy:

Be careful, you are citing scientific research. This forum discourages truth. Only experience counts, so expect Cabral or his friends to hammer on you. Their experience is better than your knowledge of science. Tinman"

Racer1: "Tinman, do you expect you deserve respect when you spew verbal diarrhea such as the above?

This thread, now 400 posts long, has the advice of many top coaches with athletes that medaled in Olympic finals.

You, on the other hand, have in the last day contributed a slander of a good coach simply because he does not agree with you.

And actually, you metaphorically shot yourself in the foot with the statement "Experience is better than science." Though your intent was obviously sarcasm, that statement is true; experience BLOWS AWAY science in every case at every level.

JK wrote a fantastic article posted on this site several months ago about the many problems with running science studies, how they are misinterpreted, and how they are fallaciously substituted for real world TRIAL AND ERROR.

After reading so much mourning for you in other threads (where, I might add, your childish "I'm leaving the forum because I am too good for these immature posters" was actually supported by some) I can now see the extent to which many posters (or perhaps yourself touting yourself under a different name) lack reading comprehension.

One need only revisit an earlier page on this very thread to find ample evidence of your aversion to reasoned debate of any kind and your willingness to have ZERO discussion in the event someone's feelings may be hurt.

Just for others to see, here is a little glance at your blatant and ridiculous hypocrisy:

Page 4: (AFTER RENATO POSTS A VERY LONG EXPLANATION OF A CIRCUIT USED BY HIS ELITE KENYANS LIKE SHAHEEN AND ANOTHER POSTER COMPLIMENTS RENATO) "I have only said this, in various forms, for a year and half on letsrun.com, but I guess it takes a guy with Renato's reputation to make it stick. I am humbled by Renato's influence. How long will it take before people forget this key principle and hammer away at lactic acid interval and disregard threshold? History repeat itself, unfortunately! Tinman"

Page 6: (TINMAN AFTER GETTING HIS FEELINGS HURT BY A KNOWLEDGEABLE DISTANCE RUNNING COACH)

"Antonio:

For a guy who thinks that science has no place in training, you sure do a lot of talking about lactate this and that. Why don't you just tell people the workouts you advise and let them get the idea of what you are trying to say. I am sure many would appreciate your training schedules and benefit more from looking at the schedules than any explanation could give. Take care and thanks for your input. Sincerely, Tinman"

Page 6: (TINMAN INSULTING A FOREIGN COACH ATTEMPTING TO CONVEY IN A FOREIGN LANGUAGE (ENGLISH) VERY COMPLEX PHYSIOLOGICAL TERMINOLOGY AFTER COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW HE DOES NOT LIKE FIGHTING WITH OTHERS (HYPOCRISY?). AS AN ASIDE, I WOULD LOVE TO READ TINMAN'S TREATISE ON LACTATE BUFFERING WRITTEN IN PORTUGUESE. WAIT, HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. FUNNY THAT HE ATTACKS ANOTHER THEN FOR TRYING AND SUCCEEDING.)

"Regarding Cabrals messages the way they are, they suck royally. He doesn't know English well enough to clearly convey his expertise. That is why I suggested that he just write out the training he prescribes. Tinman"

Page 7: (TINMAN ATTACKS ANOTHER POSTER WHO POINTS OUT TINMAN'S RIDICULOUS ATTEMPT TO ARGUE WITH CABRAL ABOUT NOTHING. TINMAN ACCUSES ANTONIO OF A "BAD TEMPER." APPARENTLY DISAGREEING WITH TINMAN ABOUT RUNNING MEANS YOU HAVE A "BAD TEMPER." HE FURTHER TAKES CHEAP SHOTS AT OTHER POSTERS0

"Antonio:

It seems your temper is out of control and it is not at all productive to deal with someone in your state of mind.

I will give you a clear path and avoid interacting with you. I am sure that makes you and dunes (your kiss-butt buddy) happy. Tinman"

Mercifully, Tinman disappears for a while and attempts to gain a following on Run-Insight, sadly returning and striking up another argument that again highlights his own absurd debating tactics and childish attempts at attacking others.

So there you have it in black and white for the Tinman cult followers. Seems to point to an obvious conclusion indeed."

TinmanTrained wrote:

I would absolutely recommend Tom. He's brilliant as a coach and a genuinely great person.

He has a real knack for reading what an athlete needs.

runningprs.com

therunzone.com

Nobody posts on therunzone anymore. People got fed up by not being allowed to have other opinions than "tinman".

I agree with most of his training methodology but he seems to be rather thin-skinned and insecure. In the interview linked above he has a few points where he self-devolves into a verbal rant, basically shouting his opinion to a non-confrontational interviewer. It's good that he is passionate, but he seems to get off the rails rather easily.

Striver wrote:

I agree with most of his training methodology but he seems to be rather thin-skinned and insecure. In the interview linked above he has a few points where he self-devolves into a verbal rant, basically shouting his opinion to a non-confrontational interviewer. It's good that he is passionate, but he seems to get off the rails rather easily.

That interview was tough to listen to.

The guy thinks he knows all and puts down other approaches left and right.

Give it a listen and count how many times he says "My way is better, My calculator is better, etc."

JustSaidIt wrote:

Page 6: (TINMAN INSULTING A FOREIGN COACH ATTEMPTING TO CONVEY IN A FOREIGN LANGUAGE (ENGLISH) VERY COMPLEX PHYSIOLOGICAL TERMINOLOGY AFTER COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW HE DOES NOT LIKE FIGHTING WITH OTHERS (HYPOCRISY?). AS AN ASIDE, I WOULD LOVE TO READ TINMAN'S TREATISE ON LACTATE BUFFERING WRITTEN IN PORTUGUESE. WAIT, HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. FUNNY THAT HE ATTACKS ANOTHER THEN FOR TRYING AND SUCCEEDING.)

"Regarding Cabrals messages the way they are, they suck royally. He doesn't know English well enough to clearly convey his expertise. That is why I suggested that he just write out the training he prescribes. Tinman"

Fair play to Tinman for beating up on that phoney.

Yep!! wrote:

Nobody posts on therunzone anymore. People got fed up by not being allowed to have other opinions than "tinman".

I´m one of them. Just like in the quote above from Tinman to Antonio: "I will give you a clear path and avoid interacting with you", he did the same to me too. If you can´t tolerate opinions that differs from yours, you shouldn´t write to message boards. If you think that you already know everything better than anyone else, you´ll learn nothing.

I sparsely visit therunzone.com anymore but mainly as running hasn't even been secondary for me for a couple of years. I wasn't aware of any particular reason for people not posting there, though traffic has certainly noticeably reduced over time. But there are a lot of years of great posts though by Tom.

I think Final Surge is where he works with runners now?

Folks can bash Tom all he wants, and maybe he has had some irascible moments, but who hasn't? I wouldn't even call it a character flaw, I would call it being human as we all have our moments. I've just interacted with him too many times, over too many years to believe anything other than he really loves helping people,