OK.
Oh boy.
Oh my.
In conclusion:
1) No comment.
Let's take a look at a video which will clear things up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rHmSKqs2wHa ha ha
OK.
Oh boy.
Oh my.
In conclusion:
1) No comment.
Let's take a look at a video which will clear things up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rHmSKqs2wHa ha ha
Yeah, Vipam attacked me for saying Aouita was best all around years ago. Now he's changed his tune. LOL What a cuck. Maybe he finally stopped chewing on KB's old jocks. At this rate we can now weep over what might have been for Webb, given Alan's 800 and 10k PRs.
Vipam. As nutty as Ventolin. Maybe he is Ventolin.
Said was a greta runner. But he was on PEDs that entire time.
Just go to Google and type in 'said aouita drugs' and you will see.
All of those 1980's runners were juiced to the max, including the current IAAF president Seb Coe!
Yes this is true.
To the posters saying its 10 years difference between Said's last competition year 1989 and Haile's 2012 (maybe later) thats 23 years!
I know drugs was rampant in the 80's and 90 thats why I never mentioned them because ALMOST everyone was using them. It was one of the reason I quit track and field, we clean athletes shouldnt had to compete againt drug humanbots.
Since MOST of the world elite was using (some without coaches knowledge) PED's. Performances from 1976 to 1996 should be looked at with little mention of PEDs.
[quote]Vipam wrote:
To the posters saying its 10 years difference between Said's last competition year 1989 and Haile's 2012 (maybe later) thats 23 years!
/quote]
So, it really seems that the two exams which I gave to you are too difficult.
Who has talked about last competition year? (btw: for Aouita it's not 1989). For sure the date of birth is the relevant number.
You are getting closer, but still, 23 years isn't such a good approximation. One more hint: one of your two digits is correct, and it's not the first one. Now, give it another try.
Have you solved the other one?
Distance running does not include the 800, and some might say 1500m either.
Yes 800 and 1500m are middle distance; however, Said Aouita was a 800m to 10000m freak of nature.
EVEN WITH Peds name an a 800/1500m runner who could debut in 10000m with an all-time top 10 performance?
-Or-
A 5000m/10000m runner who could medal at the Olympics 800m?
NONE not even Augustine, Hicham, Norredine, Alan, Kenenisa, or Haile
Haile has the second fastest ever indoor 1500 just a few 10ths off the WR, and was a champion indoors at that distance is about 3:31 which is his indoor PR I believe(not 100% sure), and he was the first man under 2:04 in the marathon, that's not range?
Yes thats rare range but a few elites have shown WORLD class 1500m to marathon. Starting with Rod Dixon. How many have shown WORLD class 800m sub 1:44 (not sub 1:45) to sub 27:30 10000m?
Interesting that all three contenders for GOAT are from the EPO era. Same with miler GOAT El Guerrouj. Must be a coincidence.
in japan wrote:
Distance running does not include the 800, and some might say 1500m either.
Distance running is when the athlete has to "find" the best speed during the different parts of the race to do the full race in his best possible time. In the opposite to sprinting, where the athletes just run "as fast as possible" during the full race (yes, it's not completely true for 400m (and even 200m) - but almost).
800m and 1500m is distance running.
Since it really seems too hard to find the difference in age of Aouita and Gebrselassie, here it is: it's not 30 years, it's not 23 years, it's around 13 years. What on earth has the last season of the athletes in question to do with the point? Haile raced until his early 40ies; Aouita's career more or less was finished in his early 30ies.
But in this 13 years which Haile came after Aouita, (long) distance running has improved dramatically (for what ever reason - it hardly can be just better training techniques...).
The other point: Aouita has not come within 7 seconds of the 10000m WR, but 12 seconds - in his debut! But it should be added that he run something like half of the race close to lane 2 - something like 40 meters extra. He definitely could have come very close to the WR - again, in his debut! But it also should be added that he has had company from Mark Nenow until the last lap.
Xy wrote:
Peds
What does Pediatrics have to do with this?
said88 wrote:
in japan wrote:Distance running does not include the 800, and some might say 1500m either.
Distance running is when the athlete has to "find" the best speed during the different parts of the race to do the full race in his best possible time. In the opposite to sprinting, where the athletes just run "as fast as possible" during the full race (yes, it's not completely true for 400m (and even 200m) - but almost).
800m and 1500m is distance running.
I had followed your prior logic, with checking of OP's math, and enjoyed the posts. Here, however, the definition of 'distance' is inaccurate. Distance - in reference to long distance - generally refers to distances that are longer than middle and short (sprint) distances. With minor variations, the distance ranges are `` = 400m (short), 800m - 5km (mid), and %% 5km (long). Granted, there can be slight overlap between these, as some may consider 3k to be 'long' distance in some circles. Physiologically, such subdivisions make sense, because they are stratified by the inverse of average percentage of maximal intensity.
Also: in most sprinting events - which are much more technically and neuromuscularly demanding - athletes are not able to maintain maximal speed up to the finish line.
Vipam wrote:
Yes thats rare range but a few elites have shown WORLD class 1500m to marathon. Starting with Rod Dixon. How many have shown WORLD class 800m sub 1:44 (not sub 1:45) to sub 27:30 10000m?
How many guys have ran sub 3:35 and sub 2:07 even? Honest question
Also, El G ran 3:31 something indoors so Haile's 3:31 might be even better if he'd ran it more often outdoors, I think he could have gone 3:29.xx at least.
Sprinter Type wrote:
Also: in most sprinting events - which are much more technically and neuromuscularly demanding - athletes are not able to maintain maximal speed up to the finish line.
Yes, but I havn't said they do. But - as far as I know - a 100m sprinter tries in every moment during the race to run as fast as possible (in this moment). Yes, they can't hold there maximum until the end. I think this is also (almost) true for the 200m. Not exactly for the 400m where the athletes have to save little bit of energy to do the race as fast as possible - but they really run almost with maximum effort all the time.
For me distance running always begun with the 800m. In distance running in almost any race the athletes react to what the opponents do early in the race.
Realist guy wrote:
Quality Qontrol wrote:While we can suspect that the East Africans may have doped, we can be certain that Aouita did so. Not only that, but he brought the infection of doping to North Africa almost single-handedly. A less-deserving "GOAT" one could hardly imagine.
Whether or not someone doped has nothing to do with whether they are the GOAT.
Face palm! No.
Was it ever wrote:
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Who is vipam???
I think that vipam is actually...
Even if he did use HGH, he still ran some amazing times and dominated with range we have never seen since. The PED argument is moot.
Facepalm! No.
said88 wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Crams' mile time was better than his 1500m WR.
Cram's Mile PB was not better than Aouita's 1500m PB . How did you come to this conclusion?
They are close together, but still the 3:29.46 is the superiour mark I think.
I believe Cram and Aouita raced each other four times, with Cram winning three times. Cram fell or was tripped in the loss, as I recall, though I'm unsure.
TrackBot! Compare Steve Cram vs. Said Aouita