Not brutally cold. No snow. Running routes cleared.
Last few days been cursed with a nasty deceptive veneer of ice.
Don't want to fall tit over arse on a run.
Should I break out the my pin spikes for a run
Not brutally cold. No snow. Running routes cleared.
Last few days been cursed with a nasty deceptive veneer of ice.
Don't want to fall tit over arse on a run.
Should I break out the my pin spikes for a run
Grip with your toes:
The strategy for running on ice is pretty simple - don't.
Must be from the warmer climes....
Stick to your treadmill
Salomon shoes with carbide tips - Spikecross. With these you can sprint on ice.
Thanks Red Panda
If it's icy out, I use it to work on form. Straight line running, no turns, no slopes, but flat level ice is excellent for form development, contact and biomechanics. Good knee lift, straight down and contact with zero speed differential between your foot and the ground. Distribute the push off throughout the contact time to prevent slipping on push off. Usually the ice is at most 50 to a hundred feet across. Nothing fancy for feet, basic trainers.
If the ice is going to dominate the run, get the right footwear for grip or find a location with little or no ice. If it's patchy, use it to your advantage.
Buy two or three different lengths packs of hex head, slotted top screws. The threaded part needs to be long enough to bite into the logs but not so long that it comes into the insole. Pre-drill small holes in the LUGS of your running shoes. Screw in the screws. Go running.
NOTE: after drilling the holes and screwing the screws in once, you could back them out and cut the pointy tips flat. Use a pair of strong pair cutting pliers.
You suck, op. Giving snow a bad rap. It's your own lack of coordination at fault. If you can't handle the conditions at least be man enough to admit it!
Fogrunr wrote:
Buy two or three different lengths packs of hex head, slotted top screws. The threaded part needs to be long enough to bite into the logs but not so long that it comes into the insole. Pre-drill small holes in the LUGS of your running shoes. Screw in the screws. Go running.
NOTE: after drilling the holes and screwing the screws in once, you could back them out and cut the pointy tips flat. Use a pair of strong pair cutting pliers.
Better yet buy a package of bike tire studs and put them in your shoes.
Screw shoes....I purchased some tire studs (similar to sheet metal screws) and added them to my NB Zantes. Works pretty well on icy roads Still not perfect but better than falling on your butt
I have a theory too wrote:
If it's icy out, I use it to work on form. Straight line running, no turns, no slopes, but flat level ice is excellent for form development, contact and biomechanics. Good knee lift, straight down and contact with zero speed differential between your foot and the ground. Distribute the push off throughout the contact time to prevent slipping on push off. Usually the ice is at most 50 to a hundred feet across. Nothing fancy for feet, basic trainers.
If the ice is going to dominate the run, get the right footwear for grip or find a location with little or no ice. If it's patchy, use it to your advantage.
In my experience, running on ice or snow kills good form.
Running on ice requires overstriding or you'll be slipping like crazy or go nowhere.
The foot will slide 1-6 inches while in contact with the ground, which is pretty different from running on stable terrain.
These together mean that ground contact time is quite a bit higher than usual. The trailing leg usually is sent quite a bit higher as the foot slips off the ground.
It's dangerous to practice sprinting on ice or snow, and the mechanics really isn't the same at all.
Yeah, straight up and down is the way to go, but if you pay attention you're actually overstriding by a few inches and "catching" yourself on every stride with a heavy emphasis on quads and pushing your hips back.
The upper body will be held more tense than usual to accommodate the slipping, however minor, and the arms will swing more than usual to compensate. This might naturally transfer over a little bit to running on clean ground, which is a waste of energy.
An entire winter of running outside on snow and ice exclusively is pretty destructive to good efficient form in my opinion and experience.
Thanks to all the constructive responses.
The reason I initially asked was that I have a soon to be 80 year old father who loves to run. Can't talk any sense into him. Needs to get his miles in (30 miles/week) even though I tell him rest is important and I don't want him to fall and hurt himself. I try to shut him down when the conditions get bad (ICE) yet he insists...gotta run. I tried talking him onto treadmills...no dice. Too late to change habits. Long may you run
disgraceful_admin wrote:
I have a theory too wrote:If it's icy out, I use it to work on form. Straight line running, no turns, no slopes, but flat level ice is excellent for form development, contact and biomechanics. Good knee lift, straight down and contact with zero speed differential between your foot and the ground. Distribute the push off throughout the contact time to prevent slipping on push off. Usually the ice is at most 50 to a hundred feet across. Nothing fancy for feet, basic trainers.
If the ice is going to dominate the run, get the right footwear for grip or find a location with little or no ice. If it's patchy, use it to your advantage.
In my experience, running on ice or snow kills good form.
Running on ice requires overstriding or you'll be slipping like crazy or go nowhere.
Overstriding on ice lands you on your ass.
I have a theory too wrote:
If it's icy out, I use it to work on form. Straight line running, no turns, no slopes, but flat level ice is excellent for form development, contact and biomechanics. Good knee lift, straight down and contact with zero speed differential between your foot and the ground. Distribute the push off throughout the contact time to prevent slipping on push off. Usually the ice is at most 50 to a hundred feet across. Nothing fancy for feet, basic trainers.
If the ice is going to dominate the run, get the right footwear for grip or find a location with little or no ice. If it's patchy, use it to your advantage.
Don't the elites all have a negative foot speed at touchdown? Not suggesting cause and effect, but zero foot speed differential wouldn't fit with the form used by elite runners, right? Interested in your thoughts.
Sdfsdfsdfsdf wrote:
Don't the elites all have a negative foot speed at touchdown? Not suggesting cause and effect, but zero foot speed differential wouldn't fit with the form used by elite runners, right? Interested in your thoughts.
Don't posters worth a dime use a proper user name?
Use a flamethrower to vaporize the ice.
disgraceful_admin wrote:
[quote]I have a theory too wrote:
Running on ice requires overstriding or you'll be slipping like crazy or go nowhere.
wot?
Running on ice requires a short, choppy stride. It doesn't ruin your form at all. Regular running on ice will develop some of the smaller, little used stabilizing muscles in the upper thigh/hip area.
Man Overboard wrote:
disgraceful_admin wrote:[quote]I have a theory too wrote:
Running on ice requires overstriding or you'll be slipping like crazy or go nowhere.
wot?
Running on ice requires a short, choppy stride. It doesn't ruin your form at all. Regular running on ice will develop some of the smaller, little used stabilizing muscles in the upper thigh/hip area.
A short choppy stride is good?