Keep it to hotness rankings. I hear recruits from death valley go straight to the top of the list.
Keep it to hotness rankings. I hear recruits from death valley go straight to the top of the list.
DiscoGary wrote:
I wonder what is going to happen when the intellectual class who sits in judgement of these young men are presented with the nasty things they've said about Trump supporters, conservatives, Tea Partiers, uneducated white men, Southern Christians?
Will they suspend themselves?
Are various campus groups such as progressive groups/clubs going to have their emails exposed, and ultimately, acted on?
While I will not call groups such as the Black Student Union an organized hate group, many other progressive-led groups are... and their language is often times explicitly based on hate against those that do not agree with them.
False. They do. Maybe not through email but through conversations, locker room, ect.
I'm not convinced anything like this happened with the Harvard XC team. I want to see the Harvard spreadsheet. If you have it, email it to me. Is it against journalistic standards to offer to pay for it?
As for this, I'm buy no means condoning it but am confused by the outrage at some of things. What is wrong with saying this?
A then-rising first year on the team wrote, “If Rachel Dolezal can be president of an NAACP chapter, I can be a sophomore,†equating deceit about academic standing with the actions of Rachel Dolezal.
What's wrong with that? I have zero problem with it.
I bet you are a real fun person to be around.... lighten up buddy.
stitches wrote:
I'm sure these guys were probably just joking around, but if you're dumb enough to leave a paper trail of all the bad things you say, then you deserve a punishment if it gets out. Not to make light of the situation, because the things being said are bad. I wonder how often things like this happen on girls teams?
Maybe the girls are smart enough not to create an email chain or spreadsheet?
Seriously, it escapes me how anyone, anywhere these days can think email is actually private.
rojo wrote:
I'm not convinced anything like this happened with the Harvard XC team. I want to see the Harvard spreadsheet. If you have it, email it to me. Is it against journalistic standards to offer to pay for it?
As for this, I'm buy no means condoning it but am confused by the outrage at some of things. What is wrong with saying this?
A then-rising first year on the team wrote, “If Rachel Dolezal can be president of an NAACP chapter, I can be a sophomore,†equating deceit about academic standing with the actions of Rachel Dolezal.
What's wrong with that? I have zero problem with it.
Rojo,
You've already shown your hand numerous times over the years of your bias (political & moral) leanings that should instantly exempt you from any & all journalistic integrity.
And, I say this not with vindictiveness either. I've just been disappointed to see you throwing your two cents into the messageboard over & over again. As a moderator, I'm not sure that's your position. You should oversee & mediate, & not speak with authority (with your name all omnipotent & aglow).
Sorry.
Bearer of Bad News
rojo wrote:
I'm not convinced anything like this happened with the Harvard XC team. I want to see the Harvard spreadsheet. If you have it, email it to me. Is it against journalistic standards to offer to pay for it?
As for this, I'm buy no means condoning it but am confused by the outrage at some of things. What is wrong with saying this?
A then-rising first year on the team wrote, “If Rachel Dolezal can be president of an NAACP chapter, I can be a sophomore,†equating deceit about academic standing with the actions of Rachel Dolezal.
What's wrong with that? I have zero problem with it.
The general council determined that 'no specifically denigrating statements were made,' or something like that. The real problem was that it was broke at the same time as the legitimately abhorrent stuff from the soccer team, so the admins had to do -something- about it.
rojo wrote:
I'm not convinced anything like this happened with the Harvard XC team. I want to see the Harvard spreadsheet. If you have it, email it to me. Is it against journalistic standards to offer to pay for it?
As for this, I'm buy no means condoning it but am confused by the outrage at some of things. What is wrong with saying this?
A then-rising first year on the team wrote, “If Rachel Dolezal can be president of an NAACP chapter, I can be a sophomore,†equating deceit about academic standing with the actions of Rachel Dolezal.
What's wrong with that? I have zero problem with it.
Rojo, I think it's foolish to emphasize one comment that isn't "as bad" as the others. Ignoring that one, there was some pretty f'ed up stuff that was said. Maybe that quote could have been left out.
rojo wrote:
As for this, I'm buy no means condoning it but am confused by the outrage at some of things. What is wrong with saying this?
A then-rising first year on the team wrote, “If Rachel Dolezal can be president of an NAACP chapter, I can be a sophomore,†equating deceit about academic standing with the actions of Rachel Dolezal.
What's wrong with that? I have zero problem with it.
I, too, was puzzled by the exception taken to this line. Does the writer think a freshman saying he is a sophomore is worse than a white girl saying she is black so that she can get a leadership position in the NAACP?
Before clicking on the article, I expected to sympathize with the team, and to think that the criticisms were overblown reactions to innocent but off-color banter. But, while I still sympathize with the team, the stuff they were saying was a lot worse and more toxic than I expected. It's obviously hard to know for sure without fuller information, but a lot of that seemed really, really bad. We should hope that the team can move towards a better culture. Personally I think a simple conversation with the captains is a much better place to start than punishment. Another thing. As Rojo points out above, while many of the quotes included in the article are clearly pretty fvcked up, a couple of them seem like totally benign political disagreements. For example,
I agree with Rojo, this seems totally fine. I understand that people might object to this, but that's a political objection, not something everyone is going to agree on. Obviously political disagreements (even snarky ones) should not be off-limits.
Here is the other example of this that I noticed. The article includes the following quote from the team captain, as if to imply that it's problematic:
But I think that again, this is just a political disagreement, not something that should be outside the limits of discourse. I think the article is made weaker by conflating these two very different types of statements.
ofkfk wrote:
A'suh Dude wrote:No one asked for your political opinion, bud. Why don't you just read the article and find out?
It wasn't a political opinion. Because I don't want to risk wasting time on something that isn't actually misogyny.
Bud, not to be pedantic, but you asked "Is there actual misogyny in there or is this a case of liberals not knowing what the definitions of words are yet again?" I'm assuming that you are not a liberal then. Google 'inductive reasoning'. Also, google 'misogyny,' then take a look at the comments made by Amherst. Do your homework before spouting your political beliefs.
FYI, they were misogynist.
Why is this news? Being misogynistic isn't a legitimate issue.
It's important to remember that college coaches and AD's are supposed to be educators and mentors, this kind of discipline is part of their job. If you don't do something to call out crude misogynistic college students they'll keep on being crude misogynistic adults. Quality education is supposed to develop well rounded decent people, and this was the right move for the college if it wants to develop students into mature responsible adults. That's part of what you sign up for when you pursue education.
I'm pretty disgusted with the posters here saying the only thing they did wrong was get caught. BS. That kind of culture is how you end up with the Brock Turners of the world. When you talk a certain way for long enough, you tend to start to think that way, and when you think that way long enough you start to act that way.
Judging by the number of posters here getting defensive, I'm guessing this kind of culture is more widespread than we think. And probably explains a lot of the arseholery we get here on Letsrun.
rojo wrote:
I'm not convinced anything like this happened with the Harvard XC team. I want to see the Harvard spreadsheet. If you have it, email it to me. Is it against journalistic standards to offer to pay for it?
As for this, I'm buy no means condoning it but am confused by the outrage at some of things. What is wrong with saying this?
A then-rising first year on the team wrote, “If Rachel Dolezal can be president of an NAACP chapter, I can be a sophomore,†equating deceit about academic standing with the actions of Rachel Dolezal.
What's wrong with that? I have zero problem with it.
I agree that particular joke was funny and didn't cross the line. But overall, that was precisely the response of the Amherst captains.
"Yes, some [jokes] do go over the top. Many also don't."
In translation: "Some of the things we said weren't racist/misogynist, so please excuse the things that were."
I hope we can all recognize the flaw in that logic.
Who cares. This stuff happens all the time. Locker room talk is normal and a fun part of college. Even our own POTUS is about it. They should not be in trouble for something our newly elected president has said and done.
A) who stole their emails? Even if they are team-wide are they not entitled to privacy?
B) It really looks like no big deal.
C) I've heard female runners say stuff about guys all the time. Double standards?
Wrong. It was not the right move. Go back to your safe space snowflake.
former d3 XC runner wrote:
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But I think that again, this is just a political disagreement, not something that should be outside the limits of discourse.
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But that is the whole point of political correctness, to force those who disagree outside the limits of discourse.
The writers of the article believe that any break from liberal orthodoxy is just as obscene as a rude sexual statement. They can not tell the difference and wouldn't understand your push back.
Literally every team does this and if you believe otherwise than you are a fool. These guys just weren't smart about it. It's not supposed to be taken seriously because most people know better than to act that way in real life. Lighten up and take a chill pill buddy.
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