Crazy XC results from State Meet, have you ever seen results like this??

i know who you are. paramus sucks. go home.

We've probably seen each other at meets then. I hope you had a successful season!

In 2012 at the Pennsylvania XC state meet, the top 2 teams tied for first with 69 points each, which is astoundingly low for that meet and both top two team's had their 7th guys neck and neck at the line. That course is very hilly so the race is usually very spread out.

Wow! How was the timing done? Chips? Camera? Nightmare for the results people.

At the Group meet and the State Meet of Champions the following two weeks, chip timing is used. I don't think they used chips at the Sectional meets (it was a month ago so I could be remembering incorrectly). Have to give props to the finish line crew, tough job when a meet is that close.

didnt Michigan women miss National title by less than 1 sec if you look at #5 runner?

That's what prompted me to write about this. That was a close meet too, I just have never seen such a dog fight between so many teams for the last qualifying spot in any race.

xcmets wrote:

That's what prompted me to write about this. That was a close meet too, I just have never seen such a dog fight between so many teams for the last qualifying spot in any race.

Yeah races being won or lost by 2 runners switching spots happens a lot. Having 4 teams with in 3 points is pretty rare. The annoying part is that there is no way for the fans to know that the kid in 90th place needs to run down 3 people in the next 200ms to advance his team. That would make the race a lot more interesting to watch.

spot on^

fans need a what if scenario with live team results. Chip timing is OK if you have runners crossing timing mats multiple times during the race, but imagine if the races had "real time" tracking that calculated scenarios based on what was going on every step of the way!

whatif wrote:

spot on^

fans need a what if scenario with live team results. Chip timing is OK if you have runners crossing timing mats multiple times during the race, but imagine if the races had "real time" tracking that calculated scenarios based on what was going on every step of the way!

This is possible. It's just a matter of doing it economically and reliably. One way might be to place sensors every 10 meters or so that you could detect where each runner was on the course. Courses with loops would be tricky. The technology exists to do it. It needs to be done.

That would be VERY cool. It would save me from trying to do math during the race haha. I can never picture the NJSIAA trying that, but it sure would make for an exciting meet

So what you wrote doesn't align with the results, and in fact the results contradict themselves. Yadav from Wayne Valley in the results is in 92nd, but in the team scores he's in 91st. Same thing with everyone in the 91-94 individual results - they're all one place higher in the team scores (92-95).

What am I missing?

We had a 3 way tie for the win at our conference one year at 47 points - top 4 to score. The tie breaking runners were 20-22-27.

There was a kid not on a full team who was 85th I believe

whatif wrote:

spot on^

fans need a what if scenario with live team results. Chip timing is OK if you have runners crossing timing mats multiple times during the race, but imagine if the races had "real time" tracking that calculated scenarios based on what was going on every step of the way!

What fans?

jp88 wrote:

So what you wrote doesn't align with the results, and in fact the results contradict themselves. Yadav from Wayne Valley in the results is in 92nd, but in the team scores he's in 91st. Same thing with everyone in the 91-94 individual results - they're all one place higher in the team scores (92-95).

What am I missing?

The runner in 85th place

85 #168 Luna, Paul 11 Dwight Morrow 6:09 19:04

ran as an individual and did not receive a point for the team scoring.

Here you go check the group 4 results. The win had 4 teams separated by just 5 points and the qualifying 5th spot was epic as well with just a 2 point win for East over Lenape. Back in the day it was hailed as the closest NJ sectional race ever. I haven't been in a closer race than that one in all my years of running (ran for Shawnee).

Cool, thanks.

Trollminator wrote:

whatif wrote:

spot on^

fans need a what if scenario with live team results. Chip timing is OK if you have runners crossing timing mats multiple times during the race, but imagine if the races had "real time" tracking that calculated scenarios based on what was going on every step of the way!

What fans?

I don't know, man, based on IAAF, UCI, NFL, FIFA and seemingly every other professional sports governing body mired in corruption, I might start watching more high school XC. It's a pure form of sport, and probably not too messed up.