Kara Goucher and the clean sport collective

Good points, except NOP has not really proven anything is false: they've only proven that so far nothing concrete is provable. In most investigations, criminal or administrative, having people who have first-hand knowledge and are known to be honest and upstanding professionals such as Goucher and Magness making strong claims of wrongdoing would be taken very seriously. If what they claim is true, it would in contrast be very hard to prove it 100%.

The absence of direct proof is not the same as disproving something.

Also I'm always drawn back to this interview which I think people forgot about.

http://www.flotrack.org/video/567782-kara-it-was-so-hard-to-leave-alberto

Does she not seem genuine in this video? Either she was lying then or she's lying now. "He wishes me the best and I wish the same for him. I just needed a change, it was not personal." This doesn't sound like someone who left her coach because of pressure to engage in doping activity. I don't buy it. I wouldn't expect her to immediately start flinging accusations his way immediately after leaving, but i think she would have been WAY less personal than this if she actually left for the reasons she now claims.

If you work in journalism, which I do, the concept of someone saying something PC when they feel it is necessary then later saying something biting is not far-fetched in the least. Or, sometimes the reverse: look at how Mitt Romney called Trump every name in the book this summer then recently had a dinner with him which Romney described glowingly. Sadly, people say what they feel is business-like and in their immediate best interest in so many situations, and I expect when Goucher left Nike she then felt whatever her misgivings, best to keep them secret. I don't know what changed.

It's possible Goucher has less than honorable motives here or else has become consumed with her own narrative, I don't know her and I certainly don't know what she's thinking. But yes, people very often recite the PC, official, lines even when leaving a job or the like.

Very true, but the email exchange that Alberto released further indicated that she really didn't want to leave the Oregon Project, but Alberto was done dealing with Adam.

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Very true, but the email exchange that Alberto released further indicated that she really didn't want to leave the Oregon Project, but Alberto was done dealing with Adam.

Adam was loosing it. Career was truly over, he was not so important anymore in the formula of OP. Became more of a bag boy living in frustration so he decided to attack in his last throws in the sport. He continues now as in his last years in Oregon to talk of rampant drug use and finger point to Salazar.

We talk now about the false or mis-information people spew on facebook or whoever will pick it became so apparent in the past presidential election we now see clarity on the OP story, nothing has surfaced that indicates any drug use at all. Made up spun falsehoods that were seen as absolute truths by a few who were leveraging the stories for other alternatives.

Kara has to keep her story alive as to have personal retail value for her sponsors. Clean sport collective today, trust me it will be something new down the road to keep her brand alive. Just doing business I guess.

I really admire Rupp and even Salazar, but I still have to question things at NOP—I don't want to but feel I have to. Here's why:

It wasn't just Kara and Adam, were it just them, fine, the concept that all this stemmed from Adam lashing out at people might make sense, but it goes far beyond them.

Steve Magness was hand-picked by Salazar to come to NOP and bring his scientific expertise to the program. Al's choosing someone for their biomedical knowledge as well as coaching skills, and of all people worldwide he picks Magness, who rather quickly starts to smell a rat. When Magness speaks out about supposed doping, he risks his own career and integrity if he's found to be wrong. Yet he speaks out.

A massage therapist who worked for NOP also expressed concerns about doping.

The BBC and ProPublica investigate and I'll tell you, working in journalism these two organizations will not report on something if they cannot find concrete basis to do so. This isn't BuzzFeed, these are two leading, long-standing, investigative news organizations. The BBC is arguably the most-respected of all news media worldwide. Epstein is one of the most-respected writers in sports journalism and has a masters in environmental science so he knows science about as well as he knows running.

You have a variety of people who were undoubtably in a position to see things first-hand, if there was anything fishy to see. You have a journalist and news organizations known for their integrity investigating. Salazar's long rebuttal letter explains how some things could have been misunderstood but contains real gems of absurdity, such as how they rubbed a banned gel on his own son's skin to see if it would show up in lab tests in case competitors tried such a trick on NOP athletes . . . really?! I mean, come on, guys. You want us to believe you're really testing the detectability of a banned substance in case competitors try to sabotage you by rubbing it on Rupp or something?

Again, I'm a fan of Rupp, but when I read the ProPublica report then Salazar's response it read like a classic case of quality investigative work vs a classic case of absurd corporate PR defense. It goes way beyond a tearful Kara Goucher.

I guess you have drank the koolaide.

Adam and Kara upset for getting essentially fired for slowing down, tough pill to swallow.

Magness was Al's biggest mistake and he didn't realize what a worthless BS talking con man he was until he had him on board.Listening to his rants post employment and lack hard factual evidence outside of assumptions hold little water.

BBC and ProPublica again published articles with zero factual basis. Assumptive reporting its called if you have been a journalist long enough.

You clearly don't know credible journalist work vs assumptive written journalism in which Epstein is good at.He did not provide one piece of factual evidence.He did several interviews that were just that, the words of others without facts and you find that hard factual evidence?

Maybe you just missed the election process recently and shedding light on twisted story telling allowed and accepted by most as factual. This is the bigger picture trying to get to the truth vs sensationalism.

Your thoughts for some greater big conspiracy theory are laughable.

Oh God Not Kara Goucher Again! Please not her. Kara will do anything to give herself attention. She is a proven liar and drama queen. Can't stand her. She is so disingenuous.

"Adam and Kara upset for getting essentially fired for slowing down,"

No! That's not it. Adams was a total egotistical ahole who made it very difficult to work with him and his wife. That's what happened.

I agree with just about everything else you posted though.

The Nike Sock Puppet show has started.

Adam is out here getting in twitter beefs with college kids. Doesn't shock me that he'd be difficult to deal with. Adam seems vindictive and Kara seems hypocritical. She criticized Salazar's response letter for attacking Adam's personality when she said things that were worse and more personal.