The official 2016-2017 HEPS TRACK & FIELD thread

Glad to see this thread!

I too have an addition to make: the Cornell meet is on Saturday as well as Friday.

Meanwhile my hometown Columbia Lions will be joining the Princeton Tigers (and others) at the Ocean Breeze facility on Staten Island. Should be interesting to see what they can do on that fast facility.

[Serious question: is Columbia's commute to Ocean Breeze longer or shorter (distance and/or time) than Princeton's?]

PS--And I'm glad to see that Heps are returning to NYC (the Armory) this year!

Will anyone be at that Staten Island meet to post pix, etc.?

Make another change to that Cornell meet. All events will be on Saturday and none on Friday.

Indoor season is in full swing. Just eyeballed the tfrrs list--didn't do any kind of virtual scoring, but it looks like the Princeton men are killin' it:

https://www.tfrrs.org/lists/1801.html

Lotta representation by Princeton's women, too. (Harvard's women are comparatively quiet so far.)

I wonder whether the Tigers can be beaten at their "home" (sorta) track in NYC. Should be a great Heps!

Funny how when I looked for a thread like this this morning and it didn't pop up in the forum "search" function...

Anyways, this is what I had posted in a thread I set up this morning.

We have a little over a month to go until Indoor Heps returns to the NYC Armory. The schedule is already available (http://hepstrack.com/blog/2017/01/18/whos-ready-for-new-york/)

While all of the schools have already competed in at least one meet so far, most of the big names have not yet raced. I did some scoring based on what is up at TFRRS as of 1/23. Limited relay and multi participants; no one has raced a 5km yet; and no real big names in the 1km up to 3km distances.

Men scores (everything):

Princeton 159

Cornell 105

Dartmouth 91.5

Harvard 71.5

Penn 59

Yale 35.5

Brown 32

Columbia 10.5

Men scores (no relays, multis):

Princeton 147

Cornell 95

Dartmouth 62

Harvard 57.5

Penn 47.5

Brown 32

Yale 21.5

Columbia 2.5

Women scores (everything):

Princeton 96

Dartmouth 93.5

Penn 91.5

Harvard 80.5

Cornell 71

Brown 59

Columbia 57.5

Yale 24

Women scores (no relays/multis):

Princeton 88

Penn 79.5

Dartmouth 73.5

Harvard 60.5

Cornell 50

Brown 50

Columbia 49.5

Yale 14

And what does this mean? Perhaps nothing at all. But my thoughts:

- The scoring charts are going to change once we get more distance runners on here, so I expect Penn men, Columbia men, Harvard women, and Yale women to move up overall, while Princeton men & women to stay up near the top.

- The Harvard women do not appear to be as sprint/hurdle strong as they have been these past few years. They still have Gabrielle Thomas as a favorite in the short sprints, and Jade Miller is a strong hurdler and 400m runner, but Dartmouth have their own sprinting rookie Cha'Mia Rothwell who is already into the top-10 all-time in the 60m, hurdles, and long jump, and Cornell and Penn have more names in the sprints/hurdles than Harvard does. Also, Harvard's Nikki Okwelogu is expanding her indoor events to include both the shot put AND weight throw (she's not in the top 10 in the weight throw right now, so we'll see if she continues this event for iHeps). Looks like Harvard is trying to spread out the talent to possibly get more points...

- Princeton's Julia Ratcliffe is back, while Elizabeth Bird has raced once so far. Nothing yet from Curham. On the men's side, Princeton has quite a presence in the sprints, hurdles, and field events, which is how they have over 40 points over the next closest team.

- No Cornell's Rudy Winkler yet.

Next weekend will include the BU Terrier Invite, so perhaps some of the distance folks will come out to chase a possible NCAA qualifier...

Okay, C/M, if you want this to be the official thread, I'll bump it to the top...

sthr wrote:

Okay, C/M, if you want this to be the official thread, I'll bump it to the top...

Might as well since it has "official" in the title. ;-)

C/M Runner wrote:

- The Harvard women do not appear to be as sprint/hurdle strong as they have been these past few years. They still have Gabrielle Thomas as a favorite in the short sprints, and Jade Miller is a strong hurdler and 400m runner, but Dartmouth have their own sprinting rookie Cha'Mia Rothwell who is already into the top-10 all-time in the 60m, hurdles, and long jump, and Cornell and Penn have more names in the sprints/hurdles than Harvard does. Also, Harvard's Nikki Okwelogu is expanding her indoor events to include both the shot put AND weight throw (she's not in the top 10 in the weight throw right now, so we'll see if she continues this event for iHeps). Looks like Harvard is trying to spread out the talent to possibly get more points...

Harvard has a freshman who ran 54.8/60.6 (400/400H) last year. She's out with injuries for indoor, but I'd assume she'll have a major impact outdoors. They also picked up one or two kids who have run 55-mid to 56; the long sprints are going to be fine.

I expect Harvard to pick up serious points on the distance side; I expect them to have the top DMR or 4x8 for indoor (both is probably too much of a stretch), and to have a few high scorers in the mile/3k/5k (or 5k/10k outdoors).

Princeton men looking very strong at this rather early stage of the season.

The Armory is nearly a home track for them and they've often done well there. I think Heps will be a great meet but the Tiger men are showing a lot of firepower at this point. Question is how much progress Cornell's younger guys can make over the next month or so.

mass institute of t&f wrote:

Harvard has a freshman who ran 54.8/60.6 (400/400H) last year. She's out with injuries for indoor, but I'd assume she'll have a major impact outdoors. They also picked up one or two kids who have run 55-mid to 56; the long sprints are going to be fine.

I assume you mean Maya?

The Harvard women are the defending indoor Heps DMR champs.

Looking ahead, we got the following meets (according to schools' schedules):

HYP at Yale (Sunday)

Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard at BU Terrier Invite

Columbia hosts the East-West Challenge at the Armory (Harvard, Cornell, Penn, Columbia battle Oregon, UConn, and UCLA) -

This East-West Challenge is going to be interesting... how competitive can the Ivies be against the likes of Oregon? Can anyone make it?

I plan to be at the East-West thing. Don't have the ability to film it, though.

kibitzer wrote:

I plan to be at the East-West thing. Don't have the ability to film it, though.

That's fine. It would be great to get feedback on the meet on here once the meet is over. I'm curious how competitive the Ivies will be against Oregon and UCLA... but also am curious on how the inter-conference competition looks at this point.

Correction: the strange schedule for the meet (Friday afternoon, Saturday evening) means that I will probably only be able to attend the Saturday session.

Because of the Friday format (straightaway events and DMRs), I expect the highlight of the first day to be teams' attempts to post very fast DM times.

kibitzer wrote:

Because of the Friday format (straightaway events and DMRs), I expect the highlight of the first day to be teams' attempts to post very fast DM times.

Which will beg the question of how many of those times will hold up for NCAA qualification.

ladedah wrote:

Which will beg the question of how many of those times will hold up for NCAA qualification.

No, it will *prompt* the question.

"Begging the question" means something very different: it's a logical fallacy that involves assuming the thing that needs to be proved.

Some more details about the East-West Challenge (Friday & Saturday)

- you can watch the meet on Runnerspace+ ($12.99/month, no single event option)

- Columbia released their DMR lineups: Devon Towell, Akua Obeng-Akrofi, Brittney Wade and Henna Rustami for the women; Alek Sauer, Noah Lartigue, Josiah Langstaff and Robert Napolitano for the men

- some unattached athletes will also compete, possibly as pacesetters.

http://www.gocolumbialions.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9600&ATCLID=211435390

Oh - they even have an entries sheet listed:

http://www.gocolumbialions.com//pdf9/5211014.pdf?&DB_OEM_ID=9600

Event 17 Women 4x400 Meter Relay (10)

Lane Team Seed Time Relay

Section 1 of 2 Finals

3 Cornell B

1) Yatsko, Abbey 2) Welzer, Christina

3) Uche, Chinonye 4) Garratt, Michelle

4 Penn B

1) Bygrave, Breanne 2) Akins, Nia

3) Barnes, Meghan 4) Solan, Imani

5 UCLA A

1) Stauffacher-Gray, Jasmine 2) Austin-Reese, Kimani

3) Moore, Schuyler 4) Chenault, Christina

6 Columbia A

1) Petersen, Sydney 2) Murray, Jillian

3) Wade, Brittney 4) Obeng-Akrofi, Akua

Section 2 of 2 Finals

1 Connecticut B

1) Banks, Kelli 2) Jordan, Danielle

3) Foley, Katie 4) Panisse, Alexis

2 Oregon B

1) Johnson, Alaysha 2) Rogers, Raevyn

3) Feldmeier, Brooke 4) Waller, Hannah

3 Cornell A

1) Quigley, Kat 2) Radoslav, Taysia

3) Bianco, Ellery 4) Pearce, Jinjer

4 Penn A

1) Brown-Soler, Elena 2) Ene, Cecil

3) Schneider, Mikayla 4) McCorkle, Taylor

5 Oregon A

1) Dunmore, Makenzie 2) Stevens, Deajah

3) Guster, Elexis 4) Horsley, Ashante

6 Connecticut A

1) Brown, Toni 2) Over, Sydnee

3) Parker, Hannah 4) Surin, Kat

Event 15 Women Distance Medley (7)

Lane Team Seed Time Relay

Section 1 of 1 Finals

1 Oregon A

1) Burdon, Lilli 2) Horsley, Ashante

3) Rogers, Raevyn 4) Rainsberger, Katie

2 Penn A

1) Schneider, Mikayla 2) Ene, Cecil

3) Wurth, Ella 4) Montgomery, Ashley

3 Cornell A

1) Hugard, Shannon 2) Radoslav, Taysia

3) Triller, Leah 4) Katzman, Jackie

4 Connecticut A

1) Akerley, Courtney 2) Over, Sydnee

3) Foley, Katie 4) Kane, Lindsey

5 Villanova A

1) Bockoven, Sammy 2) Onque-Shabazz, Amari

3) Ciluffo, Kaley 4) Cleirigh Buttner, Siofra

6 NJNY A

1) Schappert, Steph 2) Brown, Ceaira

3) Barowski, Cecelia 4) Lyevbele, Kenyetta

7 Columbia A

1) Towell, Devon 2) Obeng-Akrofi, Akua

3) Wade, Brittney 4) Rustami, Henna

Event 18 Men 4x400 Meter Relay (9)

Lane Team Seed Time Relay

Section 1 of 2 Finals

3 Penn B

1) Mangini, Clark 2) Graca, Elias

3) Ehmann, Paul 4) Jeffries, Titus

4 Columbia A

1) Lartigue, Noah 2) Sowah, Johanan

3) Hall, Willie 4) Diallo, Abdoulaye

5 Cornell B

1) Fields, Ben 2) Burnett, Vanzel

3) Diomande, Malick 4) Snyder, Andy

6 Cornell C

1) Beck, Alex 2) Norris, James

3) Paulino, Brailin 4) Menchaca, Zach

Section 2 of 2 Finals

2 Penn A

1) Rogers, Calvary 2) Lee, Evan

3) Okolo, Anthony 4) Wiseman, Jeff

3 Connecticut A

1) Barber, Kyle 2) De Venizia, Ben

3) Chavez, Alvaro 4) Garmon, Peter

4 Cornell A

1) Cooper, Stanford 2) Smith, James

3) Smith, Michael 4) Attah, Tobe

5 Oregon A

1) Chambers, Marcus 2) Rambert, Joshua

3) Stone, Cameron 4) Stanovsek, Mick

6 UCLA A

1) Herrera, Joe 2) Moniz, Jonny

3) Powell, Leon 4) Benjamin, Rai

Event 16 Men Distance Medley (6)

Lane Team Seed Time Relay

Section 1 of 1 Finals

1 Connecticut A

1) Amonu, Chinedu 2) Barber, Kyle

3) Heydrick, Christopher 4) Van Der Els, Eric

2 UCLA A

1) Sotomayor, Arturo 2) Herrera, Joe

3) Kelly, Riley 4) Janes, Tyler

3 Penn A

1) Tuck, Nick 2) Wiseman, Jeff

3) Novak, Joseph 4) Hatler, Chris

4 Oregon A

1) Maton, Matthew 2) Stone, Cameron

3) Stanovsek, Mick 4) Cheserek, Edward

5 NJNY A

1) Alexander, Colby 2) Deng, Goaner

3) Giesting, Chris 4) Mahoney, Travis

6 Columbia A

1) Sauer, Alek 2) Lartigue, Noah

3) Langstaff, Josiah 4) Napolitano, Rob

I'm a bit disappointed that Harvard isn't going to be in any of the relays. I thought they would be chasing a women's DMR time at least.

Cheserek is listed for the 3k and DMR.

Interesting but spotty results from Columbia's East/West meet at the Armory:

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/47975.html

Definitely a "learning" meet for the Big Red men, in terms of handling the specific track/field conditions at the Armory. Probably smart for Cornell to have had most of their likely Heps competitors at the meet.

The HYP meet is today (Sunday), but even without those results yet, I think it's clear that the Princeton men should be the current favorites for the indoor Heps meet--the Tigers have a very solid squad.

[OTOH maybe that's a good thing for Cornell? IIRC they were favored by many, going into last year's indoor Heps...]

I note that Penn continues to progress on both the men's and women's sides.