"Secessionists formally launch quest for California's independence"
"'Calexit' movement launches, all eyes on state Senate vote count"
I am not American and I am not familiar with your laws. Is this possibility even contemplated in your constitution? That a state just leaves the union?
Many historians believe that when the Confederacy surrendered n 1865, the idea of secession was also defeated. The Union's victory set a precedent that secession would no longer be allowed. Texas' case is unusual in that is was admitted to the Union with a promise that it would never secede.
Polly Plumper wrote:
Many historians believe that when the Confederacy surrendered n 1865, the idea of secession was also defeated. The Union's victory set a precedent that secession would no longer be allowed. Texas' case is unusual in that is was admitted to the Union with a promise that it would never secede.
But can they do it?
Stupid idea. This shouldn't even be allowed to go to vote.
California will be an even worse shithole with all the Prop 57 inmates getting out. Good riddance cali!
No military. It'll never happen.
Trump will make CA great again. They should stick around long enough to see that.
No way it will happen. California would become a sanctuary country and be overwhelmed -- far too many living off the government, far too few paying for the government. The citizens may vote for it, but the government knows where their bread is buttered.
California Born wrote:
No way it will happen. California would become a sanctuary country and be overwhelmed -- far too many living off the government, far too few paying for the government. The citizens may vote for it, but the government knows where their bread is buttered.
The citizens won't vote for it. All anyone has to do is post an ad reminding us that we get our water from other states and if we leave the country the cost of water will go up 1000%.
That may be an exaggeration, but the facts are we get our water from other states and if we are a separate nation it can be concluded the cost of water will go up since 1) the other states already don't want us to use their water anyways, and 2) the other states have the power to charge whatever they want because if we don't pay, we go all die.
Polly Plumper wrote:
Many historians believe that when the Confederacy surrendered n 1865, the idea of secession was also defeated. The Union's victory set a precedent that secession would no longer be allowed. Texas' case is unusual in that is was admitted to the Union with a promise that it would never secede.
Hello, fool, Hello. California was not part of the US in 1865.
Live to run wrote:
No military. It'll never happen.
The US does not own the entire military. CA owns a percentage based on taxes paid.
Trumpster are soooooo blind and ignorant.
sbeefyk1 wrote:
The citizens won't vote for it. All anyone has to do is post an ad reminding us that we get our water from other states and if we leave the country the cost of water will go up 1000%.
And food cost to the remaining US would go up much more. Fruits, vegetables and much more. CA can survive without the US. Not the other way around.
sbeefyk1 wrote:
California Born wrote:.
That may be an exaggeration, but the facts are we get our water from other states and if we are a separate nation it can be concluded the cost of water will go up since 1) the other states already don't want us to use their water anyways, and 2) the other states have the power to charge whatever they want because if we don't pay, we go all die.
Ummm...Ever hear of the ocean? The Pacific called, its not running out of water and melting glaciers will make more water.
I was hoping that the San Andreas fault would break Commiefornia off from the rest of the country, but I guess that this will do the trick.
kikKomen Soi sauce wrote:
I was hoping that the San Andreas fault would break Commiefornia off from the rest of the country, but I guess that this will do the trick.
The central US is experiencing all the earthquakes--dang frackers. Soon to sink so low the Rivers run backwards and drain the Gulf of Mexico into the void.
Constitution holds up the Union of the United States to be "indestructible", and some legal scholars even claim the Confederacy was in fact, illegal. In other words, there is no way for a state to "legally" unilaterally secede. The constitution simply does not allow it, nor would it have imagined it.
That doesn't mean it can't happen (ex. Texas, the civil war, 1970 libertarians), but it is astronomically unlikely. The legal route Cali would have to take is long before it could peaceably secede from the US. Let's say that the state's populous overwhelmingly votes for secession, it then would have to be ratified by Congress to implement a law allow for Calexit. Then that law would have to be agreed upon by both the president and the Supreme Court, and historically, the Supreme Court views sessesion as unconstitutional. Even in the inexplicable event you could convince President Trump, and the republican controlled house and senate to pass a law allowing Cali to leave the Union, even then the Supreme Court is likely to scrap it on grounds of being unconstitutional.
The only other avenue California could take is armed rebellion, which let's be honest, would end very badly for the state.
1949 wrote:
Polly Plumper wrote:Many historians believe that when the Confederacy surrendered n 1865, the idea of secession was also defeated. The Union's victory set a precedent that secession would no longer be allowed. Texas' case is unusual in that is was admitted to the Union with a promise that it would never secede.
Hello, fool, Hello. California was not part of the US in 1865.
Not that it has nay bearing on the OP's question, but California WAS part of the US in 1865.
Well, the last time anyone tried it didn't go too well. The Constitution doesn't deal with the issue if I recall correctly. The states that seceded were sure they were within their rights to do so and after the Civil War Jefferson Davis expected to be tried for treason. His defense was going to be that secession was perfectly legal and as the head of state of another country nothing he did in that capacity could be considered treason to the US.
I don't recall all the names and details anymore or even if I still have the books that covered a lot of this, but eventually Davis, and all the other former Confederate officials who'd been jailed were simply released without a trial. I don't think formal charges were ever brought and probably the reason for it was that Federal officials didn't want a trial, believing there was a possibility that the court would find that the Southern states did in fact have the right to secede. Some high official said something about not wanting to risk losing in the courts what the Union had won on the battlefield. As someone else mentioned, there was a decision a few years later about Texas trying to secede but it only applied to Texas, I believe.
It would be uncharted waters and I don't think anyone really knows how it would turn out. In this era it's hard to imagine the US military invading California to keep it in the union. But it's also really hard to think this really will come to anything. There have been other secessionist movements in other states over the years that haven't gone anywhere. Vermont had one recently, maybe still does and Texas had one which maybe has gone away with Trump's election.
I'm not able to access the link. However, are they doing this simply because they're sore losers?
OK Earthquakes wrote:
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The central US is experiencing all the earthquakes--dang frackers. Soon to sink so low the Rivers run backwards and drain the Gulf of Mexico into the void.
Now THATS entertainment. I may even pay Google plus $2.99 to rent footage of that.