He was cruising on the trail, i met up w/ him at the parking lot and was asking about his mileage and stuff, anyhow he said he did around 80% of his running slow around 8min pace... and his MP is low 5mins.. how?
He was cruising on the trail, i met up w/ him at the parking lot and was asking about his mileage and stuff, anyhow he said he did around 80% of his running slow around 8min pace... and his MP is low 5mins.. how?
He must be up in Flagstaff doping himself silly. Don't worry, his dreams won't come true.
Because he does the rest of it way faster. Not rocket science.
Ironically i'm in Flagstaff, Lol.
Is this area known for Doping.. I never really read that Doping was an issue here..? (I just moved here last year)
Why are we capitalizing "doping" now?
An honest question wrote:
Why are we capitalizing "doping" now?
Because that's the Big Thing.
Does he do his 5:15 pace runs at 7,000 feet?
Yeah, Wejo did 8 pace and lived in Flag. He " guided " Paula's 2:15.
metemq wrote:
He was cruising on the trail, i met up w/ him at the parking lot and was asking about his mileage and stuff, anyhow he said he did around 80% of his running slow around 8min pace... and his MP is low 5mins.. how?
This has been covered a TON of times! Running 2, 3 minutes slower per mile than racing pace for around 80% of your runs is the best way to train.
Most people are in agreeance of this, unless you substitute the word "MAF" in place of "easy" to describe you runs. Even though they're basically the same thing, people will lose their minds here and start telling you that you can NOT run slow. Lolz, people are weird.
That was a 2:17 for Paula at Chicago.
This how the Japanese train
HobsJog wrote:
metemq wrote:He was cruising on the trail, i met up w/ him at the parking lot and was asking about his mileage and stuff, anyhow he said he did around 80% of his running slow around 8min pace... and his MP is low 5mins.. how?
This has been covered a TON of times! Running 2, 3 minutes slower per mile than racing pace for around 80% of your runs is the best way to train.
Most people are in agreeance of this, unless you substitute the word "MAF" in place of "easy" to describe you runs. Even though they're basically the same thing, people will lose their minds here and start telling you that you can NOT run slow. Lolz, people are weird.
Nope. List all the 2:11 guys who are running 7 minute pace for 80% of their runs.
Please don't start with the MAF bullshite again.
Yeah, Takahashi was running 8 minute pace. But it was 180 miles a week at 7000 feet. She got a 2:19. You don't get something for nothing.
He does his fast training (pace work) when he needs to and it works for him. He would be too tired to do it running faster miles How is this so hard for slower idiots like you to comprehend?
fred wrote:
HobsJog wrote:This has been covered a TON of times! Running 2, 3 minutes slower per mile than racing pace for around 80% of your runs is the best way to train.
Most people are in agreeance of this, unless you substitute the word "MAF" in place of "easy" to describe you runs. Even though they're basically the same thing, people will lose their minds here and start telling you that you can NOT run slow. Lolz, people are weird.
Nope. List all the 2:11 guys who are running 7 minute pace for 80% of their runs.
Please don't start with the MAF bullshite again.
We have a bingo! Exhibit A, everyone :)
Fred, you just posted an example of wejo running easy at 8 mins and running a 2:17. So you agree with regards to running easy. Yet you lost your mind when you someone called this MAF instead of easy. Clap clap.
I don't know why you threw out a specific 2:11 example, but mostly anyone running this time would be running between 6:30-7:30 for easy runs. 🙄
Rod Dehaven ran pretty much every run at 6 minute pace except his workouts according to his training log he posted in 2001 before running 2:12 at Boston.
If you are on a trail, that will slow you down sometimes a minute a mile or more depending on how technical and how steep the trails are. Pace really doesn't mean much. You should run whatever pace it takes to get the mileage in you want but still be recovered for your workout days.
we gonna live it up up up wrote:
He does his fast training (pace work) when he needs to and it works for him. He would be too tired to do it running faster miles How is this so hard for slower idiots like you to comprehend?
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You cant run your easy miles too slow. The only reason to run your easy miles faster than that is if your ego can't handle it.
HobsJog wrote:
fred wrote:Nope. List all the 2:11 guys who are running 7 minute pace for 80% of their runs.
Please don't start with the MAF bullshite again.
We have a bingo! Exhibit A, everyone :)
Fred, you just posted an example of wejo running easy at 8 mins and running a 2:17. So you agree with regards to running easy. Yet you lost your mind when you someone called this MAF instead of easy. Clap clap.
I don't know why you threw out a specific 2:11 example, but mostly anyone running this time would be running between 6:30-7:30 for easy runs. 🙄
Why. Because 2:11 is 5 min pace and you said that everyone would be running 2 to 3 minutes slower 80% of the time.
So, go through all the training of the 2:11 guys and see if they are actually running 80% of their mileage at 7 to 8 minute pace. They aren't.
And that's why most Americans aren't running 2:07 marathons.
Competitor.com:
"Fellow Boulder resident Mark Plaatjes, the 1993 world champion in the marathon, said of all the world-class runners who trained in Boulder in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Jonesy was the most unwavering.
“We’d start a long Sunday run with a group and he’d go out at 5:20 mile pace,†Plaatjes said recently. “There was no easy day with Jonesy.â€
Is that Ms. Paula Radcliffe in 2002 at the Chicago marathon? Ms. Paula Racliffe is my favorite Britexit runner living in Monte Carlo, Monaco.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/athletics/2219937.stm
Ms. Paula Radcliffe's 2:15:25 is equivalent (Purdy tables) to a 4:00 mile, 8:00 3K, 13:53 5K, and 29:03 10K. Paula is way beyond Almaz Ayana, Wang Junxia, and the Dibabas. Paula is the best long distance athlete that has ever lived on this planet.
From wiki:
She has previously asked for the results of a blood test taken at the London Marathon to be made public, saying that she had "absolutely no objection to my test being released".[115]
In 2015, in the wake of revelations of widespread doping in athletics,[116] Radcliffe said that, unlike some other prominent British athletes, she would not be releasing her blood-test history, and discouraged other athletes from doing so.[117] She was later indirectly identified as a suspected doper by MP Jesse Norman during a parliamentary inquiry into blood doping.[118][119] In response, Radcliffe issued a statement in which she "categorically denied" cheating in any form and said she has "nothing to hide".[120] Shortly afterwards, her three suspect test results were leaked, though Radcliffe still refused to release her complete blood-test history.[121] In late November 2015, the IAAF declared that the accusation were "based on the gross misinterpretation of incomplete data". The UK Anti Doping Agency, having received Radcliffe's blood test history via the IAAF, stated that "Ukad has come to the same conclusion as the IAAF review that there is no case to answer".[122]
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(Ross Tucker has Paula as a 7 on his "suspicious" scale.) Here are some OFF scores from blood test results:
http://sportsscientists.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Capture-400x256.png
The OFF score= hemoglobin(g/dL) x 10 - 60 x (square root of the reticulocyte%).
Here is the information I used to come to a conclusion on Ms. Radcliffe:
On Oct. 2, 2003…two days before the World Championship Half-Marathon that she won…Paula had a blood test result which had a hemoglobin value of 12.8 g/dL, and a reticulocyte score of 0.59% (of RBCS), which make up an OFF score of 82 pre-race.
On Oct. 4, 2003…Paula had a blood test result which had a hemoglobin value of 15.6 g/dL, and a reticulocyte score of 0.47% (of RBCs), which make up an OFF score of 114.87 post-race.
That is a 21.88% increase in hemoglobin value in 2 days, from 12.8 g/dL to 15.6 g/dL.
To get a rough estimate of hematocrit score (which many people are more familiar with), the hemoglobin score can be multiplied by 3, so the 12.8 Hb would be roughly equivalent to a hematocrit value of 38.4%. A 21.88% increase in hematocrit value in 2 days, from 38.4% to 46.8% is a very large magnitude increase... in a very short amount of time.
Even severe dehydration, which causes a loss of plasma volume, and elevates Hb values, does not increase hemoglobin values more than 15%…even in extreme dehydration after running for 2.5 to 3 hours and losing 4% of bodyweight. Paula ran for 1 hour 7 minutes and also won the race.
Altitude training can increase Hb values by 5 to 10%…and takes 3 to 6 weeks to work. All types of EPO take weeks to work. Cobalt chloride takes weeks to work. Inhalation of xenon or krypton gas to increase erythropoiesis also takes weeks to work. Hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers such as FG-4592 also take weeks to work. No other drug or substance that I know of can work in 2 days to increase hemoglobin values by that much.
The only way I know of that can increase hemoglobin values by 21.88% in 2 days is:
1) An autologous blood transfusion by Ms. Paula Radcliffe.
(The reticulocyte score also shows a 20% decrease (from 0.59% of RBCs to 0.47% of RBCs), which is also consistent with a blood transfusion, since the reticulocytes are diluted by the infusion of the old stored blood.)
My conclusion is:
Ms. Paula Radcliffe is a Brit Doper-Cheater-Liarâ„¢.
For more reading on the physiology and mechanism of action:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3874847/
Paula is OFF the charts in every way!
Go Paula!!!
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
