Is Alan Webb the real WR holder in the mile?

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7 years ago 10/29/2016 11:17pm EDT

re: step by step

step by step wrote:
Hi rjm, what do say about the blood doping history? Is the following about right?
70s: blood transfusions started, no test (+)
90s: EPO, no test (+)
2002: 1st EPO test (-)
2003: begin ABP trial period
2005: 2nd EPO test (-)
2005: CERA (+)
2009: ABP official start (-)
2015: Diack gone (-)
2016: Saugy gone (-)
Only bad news for the blood dopers since 2009 (indicated with (-)).
On the other hand, the ABP only limits the doping a bit, even less than the UCI does it with their max allowed Hct = 50. Whether or not the Diack and Saugy replacements are bad news for the dopers, remains to be seen, but it sure sounds good.

The Sydney Olympics was the first time running was tested for EPO. 2001 was the first season or was this the intro of the basic blood test? I'm pretty sure epo was found in Lance Armstrong's 1999 urine samples. CERA was certainly fully detectable in 2008 (Ramzi, and his 2005 WCs sample was retested with irregularities but not conclusive). Between 2008 and 2011, the EPO manufacturers began supplying testers with product markers, as have SARM and Cardarine creators.

But microdosing does appear to skirt detection.

7 years ago 10/29/2016 11:37pm EDT

re: Silver Lining

Silver Lining wrote:
Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
The team doctors for Moscow 1980 were prescribing roids for Allan Wells and many others. No out of competition testing. I would be gutted if Ovett did anything.
No. I saw that documentary. You have embellished what it claimed considerably.
It was A (single) Scottish doctor, not a team of doctors, who was one of many team doctors, claimed to have given Allan Wells and a couple of other Scottish sprinters at the time (actually before the Moscow Olympics, 78 if I recall) some drugs. It didn't claim there were, "many others".
Only one other sprinter, Scottish, who had a fall out with Wells, has come forward to corroborate the claims. The original doctor is dead, and I'm sure the British tabloids would have done a lot of digging at the time of this documentary to come up with concrete evidence. Nothing extra has materialised since as far as I'm aware.
There was out of competition testing in the U.K. from the early 80's, long before the IAAF introduced it internationally in 1989.
Just because there is circumstantial evidence that one doctor claims to have doped one athlete and a few
Scottish sprinters is not the same as a team of British doctors doping many of the 1980 Olympic team!

Yes that Scottish doctor, Jim Leading, was THE Olympic team doctor! John Walker in his book says that it was unheard of in middle distance running to take drugs in the mid-1970s but by 1984 (when the book finishes) it was all over the place. It is pure naivety to suspect otherwise, sadly.

7 years ago 10/30/2016 2:13am EDT

re: Subway Surfers Addiction

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:
step by step wrote:
Hi rjm, what do say about the blood doping history? Is the following about right?
70s: blood transfusions started, no test (+)
90s: EPO, no test (+)
2002: 1st EPO test (-)
2003: begin ABP trial period
2005: 2nd EPO test (-)
2005: CERA (+)
2009: ABP official start (-)
2015: Diack gone (-)
2016: Saugy gone (-)
Only bad news for the blood dopers since 2009 (indicated with (-)).
On the other hand, the ABP only limits the doping a bit, even less than the UCI does it with their max allowed Hct = 50. Whether or not the Diack and Saugy replacements are bad news for the dopers, remains to be seen, but it sure sounds good.
The Sydney Olympics was the first time running was tested for EPO. 2001 was the first season or was this the intro of the basic blood test? I'm pretty sure epo was found in Lance Armstrong's 1999 urine samples. CERA was certainly fully detectable in 2008 (Ramzi, and his 2005 WCs sample was retested with irregularities but not conclusive). Between 2008 and 2011, the EPO manufacturers began supplying testers with product markers, as have SARM and Cardarine creators.
But microdosing does appear to skirt detection.

The EPO test started in 2000. The 1998 and 1999 TDF urine samples were tested in 2004.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/cycling/2013/0724/464421-french-senate-pantani-and-ullrich-took-epp-in-98/

The windows for doping, including EPO microdosing, are closing.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/tour-de-france/improved-test-will-catch-epo-micro-dosers-tour-de-france-245914

There are 98 positives from the 2008 and 2012 retests that have to be slowly releasedâ€¦a few at a time. They did not release many names before the Olympics, as that is negative news.

The tests today for anabolic steroids are much more sensitive and can detect one IM injection of nandrolone several months after the injection. This helps to explain the many new positives for anabolic steroids from the retesting of the old samples. A biological passport for use of endogenous steroids, such as testosterone, is also being developed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26853157 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27154828

Watch out dopers.

The testers are coming...for you.

Oh well.

7 years ago 10/30/2016 3:16am EDT

re: Charlottes Webb

Alan Webb at 5'9" 145 pounds when he set the American mile record was stocky? LMFAO!

7 years ago 10/30/2016 5:12am EDT

re: Silver Lining

Silver Lining wrote:There was out of competition testing in the U.K. from the early 80's, long before the IAAF introduced it internationally in 1989

is this a joke ???

name how many such tests any brit elites had in any given year ???

where are the summarised anonymised results year-by-year for the '80s ???

elite guys today have upto 20 non-competition tests a year

tell us the number of tests for them back in '80s ???

7 years ago 10/30/2016 8:00am EDT

re: calculo

calculo wrote:
is this a joke ???

i sure hope so. we were all at least unofficially encouraged to dope in all leading NATO countries until some time in the early/mid-90s, to somewhat keep up with the Sowjets who were officially forced to dope.

Cram clean, oh boy.

7 years ago 10/30/2016 8:14am EDT

re: heh

Excessive masturbation can cause that, too. Don't be so judgmental of people of color (who usually masturbate more often).

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