Start2Finish offers a half marathon course map that lists the distance as 13.48 miles

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    KudzuRunner

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    7 years ago 10/19/2016 2:50pm EDT

    I had problems with a S2F race several years ago. The started Oxford's local 10K forty yards back from where the certified course actually starts so that the photos of the start would look better, thereby adding 40-60 seconds to everybody's time. When I emailed them, they showed no remorse. That's just the way they roll.

    This time around they offer a course map for a half marathon--until they take it down, which they will surely do if they've got any self-respect--that lists the distance, on MapMyRun, as 13.48 miles! Really?

    http://dynamic-assets.mapmyfitness.com/routes/fullscreen/1212401935/

    The Yazoo Delta Half Marathon looks like fun, but this sort of carelessness just doesn't inspire confidence.

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    KudzuRunner

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    7 years ago 10/19/2016 2:53pm EDT
    re: KudzuRunner

    I should say that they did a terrific job on a race here in Oxford several weeks ago. That was handled with real professionalism. Really well done, in fact. So I'm surprised at this particular gaffe. Consistency is a part of professionalism. Seems like they need to work on that.

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    ekw

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    7 years ago 10/19/2016 2:54pm EDT
    re: KudzuRunner

    This is a non-issue. It's been covered sooooo many times.

    Distances are determined by shortest distance around corners. MapMyRun does not use shortest distances around corners. There's your extra .38 miles.

  • French Dawg

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    7 years ago 10/19/2016 3:02pm EDT
    re: KudzuRunner

    KudzuRunner wrote:

    I had problems with a S2F race several years ago. The started Oxford's local 10K forty yards back from where the certified course actually starts so that the photos of the start would look better, thereby adding 40-60 seconds to everybody's time. When I emailed them, they showed no remorse. That's just the way they roll.

    This time around they offer a course map for a half marathon--until they take it down, which they will surely do if they've got any self-respect--that lists the distance, on MapMyRun, as 13.48 miles! Really?

    http://dynamic-assets.mapmyfitness.com/routes/fullscreen/1212401935/

    The Yazoo Delta Half Marathon looks like fun, but this sort of carelessness just doesn't inspire confidence.

    How the hell does 40 yards add 40-60 seconds to everyone's time

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    KudzuRunner

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    7 years ago 10/19/2016 4:12pm EDT
    re: French Dawg

    You're right, that doesn't make sense. Let me check my original email to S2F and get back to you.

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    KudzuRunner

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    7 years ago 10/19/2016 4:19pm EDT
    re: French Dawg

    I misread my own letter to S2F. The starting line was placed about 50 yards down the hill from the marker (nailed into the blacktop) where the race was supposed to start, and where it had started for many years prior to S2F taking over the race's administration.

    How long does it take to run 50 yards at 7 to 10 minute pace? That's how many seconds were (needlessly) added to most people's finishing time. 12 to 18 seconds.

  • Street View

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    7 years ago 10/19/2016 4:30pm EDT
    re: ekw

    ekw wrote:

    This is a non-issue. It's been covered sooooo many times.

    Distances are determined by shortest distance around corners. MapMyRun does not use shortest distances around corners. There's your extra .38 miles.

    MapMyRun uses the street maps in an OS. Those are meant for vehicle paths, including wider left turns.

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    KudzuRunner

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    7 years ago 10/20/2016 6:55am EDT
    re: Street View

    The map is actually in MapMyFitness, not MapMyRun.

    I don't buy the argument that a failure to round off the corners contributes to an extra 1/3 of a mile over the course of a half-marathon.

    I think the problem is more obvious--and more problematic. I think that the course was created so that the start and finish would align side-by-side--and accurate measurement be damned. This is precisely what happened in the Double Decker run of 2014: a desire to have start and finish side-by-side (and thus have a nice shot of the start), halfway down a long incline, rather than have the start just over the top of an incline, is why the S2F folks arbitrarily violated the certified course.

  • googlemapsftw

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    7 years ago 10/20/2016 7:09am EDT
    re: KudzuRunner

    I find that mapping tools always exaggerate the length of a course if it is on roads and has many turns. Often several tenths of a mile for a ~6 mile run.

  • Blah Blah.

    Anonymous Poster

    7 years ago 10/20/2016 7:38am EDT
    re: KudzuRunner

    Does S2F say their course is certified? Lots of 10K races aren't 10K.

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