speed training useless

as long as you don't want to race anything below 5k and your 5k is not sub 15

...... you don't

Swirddd wrote:

as long as you don't want to race anything below 5k and your 5k is not sub 15

...... you don't

Wrong answer.

I don't think there is consensus about typical speed training, but lactate stackers (things like 200 - 300m intervals with little recovery) are very useful to make your lactate threshold higher (very important for 10k and hm) and enhance neuromuscular co-ordination. .

somebloke wrote:

Swirddd wrote:

as long as you don't want to race anything below 5k and your 5k is not sub 15

...... you don't

Wrong answer.

not for someone who can run a comfortable 200 in 30 seconds without doing it regularly

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5k-hmrunner wrote:

as a 5k-hm guy running comfortable 200s in 30 seconds even after months of doing nothing but base mileage and tempos, why would I need a session of 200s/400s in my training?

Hey babe,

Lemme tell you something about running. You suck at it. "Comfortable 30 second 200" WHAT THE FRICK!?!? ARE YOU A BABY!?!?! My grandmother can hit 26s, and that was a week after her double knee replacement. Give up. You will never be one of us and you will NEVER race again.

Love always,

mcfunrunbuns

SAVAGE

mcfunrunbuns wrote:

5k-hmrunner wrote:

as a 5k-hm guy running comfortable 200s in 30 seconds even after months of doing nothing but base mileage and tempos, why would I need a session of 200s/400s in my training?

Hey babe,

Lemme tell you something about running. You suck at it. "Comfortable 30 second 200" WHAT THE FRICK!?!? ARE YOU A BABY!?!?! My grandmother can hit 26s, and that was a week after her double knee replacement. Give up. You will never be one of us and you will NEVER race again.

Love always,

mcfunrunbuns

You are an idiot. He never said how fast he actually could run those 200s, just that he went to the track during base and did some faster running than usual. People should do speed training to actually be able to run fast (race pace or faster) and do so relaxed. If they can do that without specifically training for it, then there is no point to go the track for a speed session. You don't study basic vocabulary if you can already speak a language fluently.

How´s your hamstrings etc after the sudden faster pace session? Your legs are weak, and your natural speed too some day.

Swirddd wrote:

somebloke wrote:

Wrong answer.

not for someone who can run a comfortable 200 in 30 seconds without doing it regularly

Keep trying. Still wrong answer.

Perhaps you should stop thinking about what workouts are benefiting certain events and thinking about what part of your body your workouts are targeting. You can use speed workouts to target your lactate threshold, your vo2max, or your anaerobic system? Which one of these are you suggesting that you are so superior in that you couldn't benefit from additional training?

somebloke wrote:

Swirddd wrote:

not for someone who can run a comfortable 200 in 30 seconds without doing it regularly

Keep trying. Still wrong answer.

please explain!?

somebloke wrote:

Swirddd wrote:

not for someone who can run a comfortable 200 in 30 seconds without doing it regularly

Keep trying. Still wrong answer.

please explain!?

Just do the 200s from time to time. 200s help you improve running economy as a result of the natural streamlining of your form that happens when you run fast. That improved running economy will benefit you across the board - more economical running means less effort to get the same result. I'd do the 200s and 400s at about as fast a pace as you can do them without your form breaking down (if that happens, you defeat the purpose of the workout) and I would do them early in your training cycle and late in the training cycle. I also work them in in the middle of a training cycle - I usually get them in by way of bracketing a race paced effort workout with sets of 200s - say 3-4 x 200 with 2:00 rest; 4-5 x 1000 at 5k race pace with 2:30 rest; 3-4 x 200 with 2:00 rest