Waleed Suliman (VA) goes 14:49 - FL threat?????

the course is not legit.

Short course?

He already ran 4:12, how is 14:49 so out of the question that you think the course was short?

Unless the course changed, he's obviously legitimately improved, because he dropped 26 seconds on it.

He's never going to touch Noah Affolder. Affolder hasn't been remotely threatened this fall and he looks like he's jogging. Noah Affolder is the FL threat.

People run faster on this course than they usually ever run again. totally flat. closer to 3.05.

South guys almost always underachieve at FL. #truth

South. Better dead than RED

jjjjjj wrote:

Unless the course changed, he's obviously legitimately improved, because he dropped 26 seconds on it.

Unless he underperformed at this race last year.

Meylan has that performance at 193. That's pretty good.

Unless their map is wrong (

http://cache.milesplit.com/venue_files/1899/full/pole_green_fast_5k_course_map

) this course is about 100m short when mapped. Very easy to map, too, because the grass is cut in some of the satellite images, and in a 2012 image you can see the start line and finish line. The pretty curved startline, by the way, gives about an extra 10m advantage to kids starting on the right (looking out onto the course).

One thing to call your course "fast" and promote the hell out of it, but you better make it a full 5k.

Speed rated wrote:

Meylan has that performance at 193. That's pretty good.

But not top 5 at naties good. Speed ratings aren't crazy accurate, but Principe, Affolder, Hirsch, Hasty, sill have at least 10 sec on him (1 pt per 3 sec) and the number of guys who have run between 190 and 193 in the past month and a half is relatively high. Nice dark horse pick, but 193 isn't quite at the top of the country.

193 is good if the curve continues to rise. In two months is he still race worthy enough to go 200+?

this course is a joke, dont buy this bologna, VA tends to measure courses from the center

Leads to fast times at meets like William and Mary, 3rd battle, glory days, milestat.com

however..... wrote:

the course is not legit.

The true course is 5K; however, there are a number of ways it can be a little less. I measured the course and 'I know how to measure'. With that said, I would guess over half of the XC courses in America are little short. The only way a course stays accurate is if a national championship is held there or a local certifier periodically remarks the course. Although it does have a decent hill, Alpine is fast for a number of other reasons.

NO wrote:

this course is a joke, dont buy this bologna, VA tends to measure courses from the center

Leads to fast times at meets like William and Mary, 3rd battle, glory days, milestat.com

I can say with certainty that 3rd Battle is not measured from the center and that it's not short. I measure it each year due to minor changes in how the grass is cut, and I re-mark the start line and finish line each year to ensure it remains a full 5000m. After marking it this year, my team ran the course easy the day before the meet. With about 10 GPS watches on it, they ALL came up with 3.11-3.14. On an easy run, maybe kids aren't hugging the turns or taking the tangents well, and I know that GPS has room for error(obviously, considering they weren't all identical), but the fact that they all came up slightly long validated, to me anyway, that the course was done correctly again this year.

I can't speak for W&M or milestat, but I have been to Glory Days and I believe that course to be accurate as well, though I suspect there may have been a time when it was a little shorter. I've only been to it in the past 3-4 years.

The MileStat.com Invite course is an accurately measured course at 3.1 miles, which has also been used by the University of Richmond for their home meets. Its a flat two loop course jam packed with spectators in large fields that you have to get out fast with deepest fields that any teams will see all season long in state. Meet is always right before championship season starts, so athletes are near peak shape. Weather and course conditions have been ideal last few years at Pole Green Park as well. Its fast and a 5K as advertised.

Can see splits here, which meet had chip timing for mile, 2 mile splits. Waleed went out hard in 4:33 for first mile, 4:52 for second mile, and was cramping up in final 1.1 mile (5:24), but able to finish in 14:49 for 4:47 mile place.

http://va.milesplit.com/articles/193711

Here is a course map

http://cache.milesplit.com/venue_files/1899/full/pole_green_fast_5k_course_map

coursefacts wrote:

The MileStat.com Invite course is an accurately measured course at 3.1 miles, which has also been used by the University of Richmond for their home meets. Its a flat two loop course jam packed with spectators in large fields that you have to get out fast with deepest fields that any teams will see all season long in state. Meet is always right before championship season starts, so athletes are near peak shape. Weather and course conditions have been ideal last few years at Pole Green Park as well. Its fast and a 5K as advertised.

Can see splits here, which meet had chip timing for mile, 2 mile splits. Waleed went out hard in 4:33 for first mile, 4:52 for second mile, and was cramping up in final 1.1 mile (5:24), but able to finish in 14:49 for 4:47 mile place.

http://va.milesplit.com/articles/193711

6th and 9th place in the Varsity A race missed the 2nd mile split. Do we have a couple Lil' Rossis?