I think if he broke 26:40 that'd be aight, what's top ten all time?
Like some other people have said who's gonna pace him long enough? How is he gonna shave 30 seconds off his pr? And finally he's not a front runner and can't set a cracking pace himsef; here's really no evidence he'll even get close to the wr tbh in either 5 or 10k, definitely not the 10k though.
beaverton tc wrote:
This is a rumor...only a rumor...supposedly, Rupp/Salazar have decided to rabbit farah through 8k in his bid to get the wr. Again, that's just what was going around recently at the Nike Campus.
^^^ This , I have no doubt in my mind that Alberto is cooking something ..Mo will def take a crack at the world record 4 both the 5 n the 10 k next year..No doubt in my mind
He has TOO much speed to do that. 3:28 for 1500m.
26:38 for top 1026:30 for top 526:27 for top 312:48 for top 1012:46 for top 512:39 for top 3I say he cracks top 3 in the 10k, top 5 in the 5k if he really goes for it
Samuel DeChamplain wrote:
I think if he broke 26:40 that'd be aight, what's top ten all time?
Like some other people have said who's gonna pace him long enough? How is he gonna shave 30 seconds off his pr? And finally he's not a front runner and can't set a cracking pace himsef; here's really no evidence he'll even get close to the wr tbh in either 5 or 10k, definitely not the 10k though.
tony the tiger wrote:
beaverton tc wrote:This is a rumor...only a rumor...supposedly, Rupp/Salazar have decided to rabbit farah through 8k in his bid to get the wr. Again, that's just what was going around recently at the Nike Campus.
^^^ This , I have no doubt in my mind that Alberto is cooking something ..Mo will def take a crack at the world record 4 both the 5 n the 10 k next year..No doubt in my mind
He won't break 2650 let alone break the record. 5k just forget it
> “I wouldn’t have won what I have done in terms of medals, had I gone for the record.â€
This is why Mo isn't in the GOAT category.
The truly greats were able to win medals and break world records.
Becky wrote:
26:38 for top 10
26:30 for top 5
26:27 for top 3
12:48 for top 10
12:46 for top 5
12:39 for top 3
I say he cracks top 3 in the 10k, top 5 in the 5k if he really goes for it
Samuel DeChamplain wrote:I think if he broke 26:40 that'd be aight, what's top ten all time?
Like some other people have said who's gonna pace him long enough? How is he gonna shave 30 seconds off his pr? And finally he's not a front runner and can't set a cracking pace himsef; here's really no evidence he'll even get close to the wr tbh in either 5 or 10k, definitely not the 10k though.
No way Mo will ever be top 3 in either of these events, a $5 bet says he won't go sub 12:50 or sub 26:40 next year.
I agree, 12:50+ and 26:45+.
tony the tiger wrote:
I have no doubt in my mind that Alberto is cooking something
You call me a Mo hater, and then you go calling his coach a doper. Pot meet kettle.
Bad Wigins wrote:
tony the tiger wrote:I have no doubt in my mind that Alberto is cooking something
You call me a Mo hater, and then you go calling his coach a doper. Pot meet kettle.
I don't think anyone should eat Alberto's cooking, the guy nearly died of a heart attack, probably soaked in saturated fat and high in cholesterol.
Mmm top 3 in the 10k is impossible I think, since Bekele set the wr only one o person other than himself In 08 has been within 20 seconds of it at about 17.8 in 2006; 5k mo might be able to get top 10, if he really really trains and goes for it, based off his 3k from this year though idk if that's possible still though. He'd probably need to be in a fast race with some other guys tbh and idk ifhes gonna do that... guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I don't think there's anyway he gets under 26:35.
Mo's has got to go after a fast time for his legacy. If Mo wins the double next year, this would give him the most global championship gold medals behind only Bolt and Carl Lewis and number one among distance runner. But, no matter how many medals Mo wins, being the GOAT will always be in dispute if he does not at least run some top-10 times.
It is going to be really tough, to get either one of the records. My first instinct is say go after the 5K because of his 1500 credential, but besides that fast 1500, he has not done anything else to suggest he could even come close to the record. I think Mo's 5K PR is 12:53 and most of his 5ks have been 13+, when KB set the record, he had run several 12:4x 5Ks and ran sub-13 is just about any circumstance. I can't understand why Mo has not run faster and his 3K PR is not super fast as well. I think the 10K is off the table because Mo has not shown greatness in XC or the roads, I just don't think Mo is or ever will be a great long distance runner. The main problem I see in the 10K is the need for pacers, not only are there only a few athletes capable of pacing a 10K WR attempt, the ones capable of doing it would like beat Mo and probably have no desire to do him any favors.
I think Mo can certainly run much faster in each event, but I can't see him breaking any records. Btw, training to break records might be at the detriment of winning races the way he does.
He waited a few years to long to go for any of those world records. When he was running 3:28's a few years ago I think he had a chance. Next year he will be 34 years old and will be moving closer to the end of his speed. I do not see how trying for the world record in the 5k or 10k at least once over the years would have hurt.
Metric Miler wrote:
islamterror wrote:Hi Tania!
Shut up, Muslim Miler.
It must be difficult to live inside a head filled with as much hate as yours.
I pity you.
Plus you helped confirm that this site is not for athletics fans but for far right extremists such as yourself.
Feeling triggered again?
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Skips Arm Day wrote:The same thing is puzzling me too. If you were capable of world record shape you'd obviously want to be as close to it as possible to win championships, considering being faster than everyone else is inherent in the definition of "world record." It's not like someone's going to sit and out kick you going WR pace. Does anyone know what, if any, is the difference in approach for these two objectives?
It is the strong possibility in a medal race of blowing up in the attempt and coming in 8th against knowing that if you are in the lead pack at the bell you are in with a really good shot of outkicking everyone.
But then you knew that.
It's a strong possibility that no distance runner would try to go for the world record IN a medal race. But then you knew that. So much for being an "Expert" KipWatcher.
Metric Miler wrote:
Skips Arm Day wrote:The same thing is puzzling me too. If you were capable of world record shape you'd obviously want to be as close to it as possible to win championships, considering being faster than everyone else is inherent in the definition of "world record." It's not like someone's going to sit and out kick you going WR pace. Does anyone know what, if any, is the difference in approach for these two objectives?
I'm assuming it means taking on a high risk/high reward style of training, but beyond that it's not so clear.
Really? Really did you just really say that? I really wonder whether even half the people on this site actually watch athletics at all.
Monaco 2014 1500m is a nice example of how you are so, very wrong.
https://youtu.be/qc2GSBUZEMk
Ah, yes, the race where Asbel said he was going for the record and made a decent attempt, but pacer #2 had fallen off the pace a bit with about 1.5 laps to go, and Silas Kiplagat kicked hard for home in 3:27.64 to Asbel's 3:28.45.
All you showed by promoting that video was that Silas was closer to WR shape than Asbel. It does NOT prove that Asbel was in WR shape (nor can we know that he ever has been because...gasp...he has never run the WR). It does NOT prove that Asbel was faster than everyone else on that day and something just went wrong. All we know is that he was the 2nd-fastest guy that day.
Lastly, you have failed to show that it is a disadvantage to be faster than anyone else in a championship race.
Mo is desperate wrote:
It's a strong possibility that no distance runner would try to go for the world record IN a medal race. But then you knew that. So much for being an "Expert" KipWatcher.
Steady Tiger, I did know that but I was responding to the person going with their logic.
I could have listed a whole load of other totally obvious things such as "The athlete would be wearing appropriate kit" but not sure that helps.
There is currently no one on the circuit who can run faster than 26:35.
Mo is great, but not as fast as KB and Geb (whether aided or not).
jTjg wrote:
He has TOO much speed to do that. 3:28 for 1500m.
Not necessarily, but here are some interesting numbers to ponder that may support your argument:
Per Jack Daniels' calculator:
3:27 is equivalent to 7:23 for 3k, 7:58 for 2-mile, 12:52 for 5k, 26:48 for 10k
3:28 is unavailable as a data-point for some reason, but inputing it anyway gives equivalents of 7:25 for 3k, 8:01 for 2-mile, 12:56 for 5k, 26:56 for 10k
3:29 is equivalent to 7:26 for 3k, 8:02 for 2-mile, 12:58 for 5k, 27:01 for 10k
Per the McMillan calculator:
3:28 is equivalent to 4:45.7 for 2k, 7:24.6 for 3k, 7:58.0 for 2-mile, 13:01 for 5k, 27:02 for 10k
3:29 is equivalent to 4:47.1 for 2k, 7:26.7 for 3k, 8:00.3 for 2-mile, 13:05 for 5k, 27:10 for 10k
Per Tinman's calculator:
3:28.1 is equivalent to 4:47.5 for 2k, 7:25.3 for 3k, 7:58.2 for 2-mile, 12:44.0 for 5k, 26:31.7 for 10k
3:29.1 is equivalent to 4:48.9 for 2k, 7:27.4 for 3k, 8:00.5 for 2-mile, 12:47.7 for 5k, 26:39.4 for 10k
One way to look at that data is to say that 3:28 is not enough speed.
Another way to look at it is to say that these equivalents are only relevant for people for whom the 1500m is their best event. Obviously Geb & Bekele cut deeper into Top 10 lists in the 5k & 10k than the 1500m...because 5k & 10k are / were / are closer to their best events. But Mo's best event likely lies somewhere between 1500m and 5000m, making these equivalents more relevant. Because a 1500m guy is going to slow down more than a 10,000m guy when you use a 1500m pb to predict a 5k or 10k pb, you could say that Mo has "too much" speed.
Some interesting observations:
Notice how McMillan and Daniels are sort of behind the times with what's possible in the 5k & 10k.
Notice how McMillan and Tinman are a bit more optimistic than Daniels with the slowdown of an athlete from 1500m/mile to 2-mile.
Notice how Daniels is more optimistic than McMillan when it comes to slowdown of an athlete from 1500m/mile to 5k & 10k, and Tinman is even more optimistic than Daniels.
Notice how Mo's 1500m ability puts him NEARLY AT OR SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN the 2-mile world record.
Finally, notice how NONE of those calculators predicts that Mo is capable of a 5k or 10k world record.
For the record, Mo's PR's of note are:
1500m: 3:28.81
2-miles, indoors: 8:03.50 (an indoor world-best)
5000m: 12:53.11
10000m: 26:46.57
For the record, the WR's are:
1500m: 3:26.00 (Hicham El Guerrouj)
2000m: 4:44.79 (Hicham El Guerrouj)
3000m: 7:20.67 (Daniel Komen)
2-miles: 7:58.56 (Daniel Komen)
5000m: 12:37.35 (Kenenisa Bekele)
10000m: 26:17.53 (Kenenisa Bekele)
In my opinion, Mo has NO shot at the 5k or 10k world records.
If he wants a world-record, he should go for the 2-mile. That's his best shot. However, I still think he wouldn't even get that record for the following "too much speed" reason: Daniel Komen's 1500m PR was 3:29.46.
Correction, * 7:58.61 for Daniel Komen's 2-mile WR.