I think 2017 is the year Kenya finally gets their act together with Kamworor, who defends his world cross country title and then beats Mo by actually pushing the pace to sub 26:45 territory. They way to beat him seems to be to get the pace to be. Consistent and hard with no let up to let him save up, getting rid of his advantage in the last mile, if he still wins then he would have earned it by working hard instead of everyone letting things be in his hands.
Slow pace wrote:
I think 2017 is the year Kenya finally gets their act together with Kamworor, who defends his world cross country title and then beats Mo by actually pushing the pace to sub 26:45 territory. They way to beat him seems to be to get the pace to be. Consistent and hard with no let up to let him save up, getting rid of his advantage in the last mile, if he still wins then he would have earned it by working hard instead of everyone letting things be in his hands.
Yawn
doot doot wrote:
Slow pace wrote:I think 2017 is the year Kenya finally gets their act together with Kamworor, who defends his world cross country title and then beats Mo by actually pushing the pace to sub 26:45 territory. They way to beat him seems to be to get the pace to be. Consistent and hard with no let up to let him save up, getting rid of his advantage in the last mile, if he still wins then he would have earned it by working hard instead of everyone letting things be in his hands.
Yawn
Isiah Koech
Jelian
Gebriwhet
Caleb Ndiku
Kamworor
All heir apparents to Mo's 5k and 10k throne over the last 5-6 years....yawn indeed. And Don't at me grammar police.
Do you have any evidence he can run under 26:45?
If someone keeps posting this every year its bound to happen eventually.
Mr. Obvious wrote:Do you have any evidence he can run under 26:45?
slaughtering mo in cardiff 1/2M in worst conditions for a major race ever seen, when both in very good shape is a start, even moreso when mo wanted to win on home soil & Kamwo had a fall at the start !!!
Kamwo got injured in kenyan trials & was only shadow of his self in rio as still injured
further evidence is some 2nd string kenyan won recent copenhagen 1/2M in ~ 59-flat/low off 1st 5k of 13'32 !!! which is 27'04 pace, & actually split 27'15 !!! at 10k & still held on for 59-flat/low
any guy who can split 27'15 off an even more suicidal 13'32 opener & still run another 10.1+k & hold on for a 59-flat/low has to be hugely below 27 if that had been an even-paced 10k track race & this guy is nowhere near Kamwo's class...
the biggest problem with Kenya:
1) their trials process and racing are more demanding and competitive than the world meet, thus most of the talent is overtrained or peaked by trials.
-- ease the qualifying standard but cut the race distance to 6400m (for 10000m selection) and 2400m for 5000m selection
or
-- make trials a less demanding process < 28:20 / 13:30 sufficient to advance in the selection process but additional speed-side marks required.
2) the trend to focus on road half marathon and marathon, with a mild neglect for speed-side capability (like a roach motel, fast 5000/10000 runners move up to marathon but never come back)
-- nobody who has raced over 13.1 in previous 6 months should be eligible for 5000 /10000 trials races
3) no requirements for speed-side capability. why bother sending 3:35 runners to race 3:31 runners?
-- to win selection at 5000 or 10000m, the athlete must also have hit 1500m 3:33 or 2000m 4:55 or 3000m 7:32
Billy Bob runner guy wrote:
doot doot wrote:Yawn
Isiah Koech
Jelian
Gebriwhet
Caleb Ndiku
Kamworor
All heir apparents to Mo's 5k and 10k throne over the last 5-6 years....yawn indeed. And Don't at me grammar police.
Jeilan has whooped Farah in the past 6 years and so has Gebrhiwet. So has Kamworor for that matter. What is OP trying to ask?
Edwin Soi has whooped Mo. Kiprop did too. So did Bekele. What is with all this Invincible-Mo nonsense? He can win slow sit and kicks in champs, likely helped by bribery or blackmail from the corrupt IAAF. But when he tries to win competitive fast races, he generally loses unless he's in Eugene or diluted British DL meets.
Every year that Farah gets older it becomes more likely that he will lose to someone.
The man that guesses every year that "this year is the year" is no mystic.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Billy Bob runner guy wrote:Isiah Koech
Jelian
Gebriwhet
Caleb Ndiku
Kamworor
All heir apparents to Mo's 5k and 10k throne over the last 5-6 years....yawn indeed. And Don't at me grammar police.
Jeilan has whooped Farah in the past 6 years and so has Gebrhiwet. So has Kamworor for that matter. What is OP trying to ask?
Edwin Soi has whooped Mo. Kiprop did too. So did Bekele. What is with all this Invincible-Mo nonsense? He can win slow sit and kicks in champs, likely helped by bribery or blackmail from the corrupt IAAF. But when he tries to win competitive fast races, he generally loses unless he's in Eugene or diluted British DL meets.
Very strange post.
calculo wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Do you have any evidence he can run under 26:45?slaughtering mo in cardiff 1/2M in worst conditions for a major race ever seen, when both in very good shape is a start, even moreso when mo wanted to win on home soil & Kamwo had a fall at the start !!!
Kamwo got injured in kenyan trials & was only shadow of his self in rio as still injured
further evidence is some 2nd string kenyan won recent copenhagen 1/2M in ~ 59-flat/low off 1st 5k of 13'32 !!! which is 27'04 pace, & actually split 27'15 !!! at 10k & still held on for 59-flat/low
any guy who can split 27'15 off an even more suicidal 13'32 opener & still run another 10.1+k & hold on for a 59-flat/low has to be hugely below 27 if that had been an even-paced 10k track race & this guy is nowhere near Kamwo's class...
None of that qualifies as evidence. Kam is a better 1/2 marathon runner than Mo.
Mo has never broken 26:45 either, so what he can run in some othrr entirely different race doesn't prove anything.
What some other guy runs in 1/2 marathon doesn't prove anything either.
Haven't you consistently predicted thatKam would beat Mo at 10000? How has that worked out for you?
Despite this, the still have good athletes come out and race, though at the Olympics this year it was a total flop for them. However, Kamworwor and the road guys have more endurance then Mo. If they go at a suicidal (63s for the first couple of laps) pace while mo plays his go the pack game he would have a lot of work to do when the field strings out by the second lap. While somebody sacrifices themselves as a pacemaker, mo would find themselves struggle to move up through the huge string of 25-30 athletes that he would have to move around slowly. The Kenyans would slow to 64s by this point, but mo would have to still run laps faster than that running wide to pass people to get back into the race. by 4k the leading group would by be Kenyans with the Ethiopians behind them, and they would be starting to pull ahead with a gap developing between them and the rest off the field. Mo would get to the front of this main field. but then have to make up this gap, and since nobody in the field would want to the make the solo move up into the lead group. After waiting for somebody to move, Mo and Rupp decide to move together and join the lead group, Rupp doing the work for Mo. Kenyans are still running 64s and hit halfway just under 13:20. Halfway threw through the sixth kilometer they would have rejoined the Kenyans, who half dropped all but 1 Ethiopian by this point. After the sixth kilometer the pace begins to slow to 65s as the Kenyan pacers has tired. They Kenyans move past him and he gets dropped. the pace remains at 65 and raises to a 66 before the Kenyans start pushing 63s again to try and drop Mo. There is 2 km left, mo tries to take the lead and slow the pace and holds it for 200 meters before the Kenyans attack and push Again, resulting in a 65 lap, but the Kenyans run the next lap 2 laps in 59 and 61. By not allowing mo to take the lead at this stage, he is not able to slow the pace to prepare for his kick, and thus the playing field is leveled. It is now a battle between the 2 Kenyans and Mo, and a 60 second last lap leaves one of the of the two Kenyans as the victor In a winning time of around 26:35.
Fast races every race wrote:
Despite this, the still have good athletes come out and race, though at the Olympics this year it was a total flop for them. However, Kamworwor and the road guys have more endurance then Mo. If they go at a suicidal (63s for the first couple of laps) pace while mo plays his go the pack game he would have a lot of work to do when the field strings out by the second lap. While somebody sacrifices themselves as a pacemaker, mo would find themselves struggle to move up through the huge string of 25-30 athletes that he would have to move around slowly. The Kenyans would slow to 64s by this point, but mo would have to still run laps faster than that running wide to pass people to get back into the race. by 4k the leading group would by be Kenyans with the Ethiopians behind them, and they would be starting to pull ahead with a gap developing between them and the rest off the field. Mo would get to the front of this main field. but then have to make up this gap, and since nobody in the field would want to the make the solo move up into the lead group. After waiting for somebody to move, Mo and Rupp decide to move together and join the lead group, Rupp doing the work for Mo. Kenyans are still running 64s and hit halfway just under 13:20. Halfway threw through the sixth kilometer they would have rejoined the Kenyans, who half dropped all but 1 Ethiopian by this point. After the sixth kilometer the pace begins to slow to 65s as the Kenyan pacers has tired. They Kenyans move past him and he gets dropped. the pace remains at 65 and raises to a 66 before the Kenyans start pushing 63s again to try and drop Mo. There is 2 km left, mo tries to take the lead and slow the pace and holds it for 200 meters before the Kenyans attack and push Again, resulting in a 65 lap, but the Kenyans run the next lap 2 laps in 59 and 61. By not allowing mo to take the lead at this stage, he is not able to slow the pace to prepare for his kick, and thus the playing field is leveled. It is now a battle between the 2 Kenyans and Mo, and a 60 second last lap leaves one of the of the two Kenyans as the victor In a winning time of around 26:35.
Fantastical. You should have included a bit where "the Kenyans" start flying and zap Farah with their laser eyes.
Slow pace wrote:
I think 2017 is the year Kenya finally gets their act together with Kamworor, who defends his world cross country title and then beats Mo by actually pushing the pace to sub 26:45 territory. They way to beat him seems to be to get the pace to be. Consistent and hard with no let up to let him save up, getting rid of his advantage in the last mile, if he still wins then he would have earned it by working hard instead of everyone letting things be in his hands.
well, if we are talking 10,000m, earlier this summer, Bekele said he wants to race Mo next summer in London...of course, this was before Berlin, so perhaps plans have changed. But, given that performance and if he actually trained for 10,000m, it could be interesting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p041ywstUnless MO can kick of a fast race. Then you're idea is doomed.
Fast races every race wrote:
Despite this, the still have good athletes come out and race, though at the Olympics this year it was a total flop for them. However, Kamworwor and the road guys have more endurance then Mo. If they go at a suicidal (63s for the first couple of laps) pace while mo plays his go the pack game he would have a lot of work to do when the field strings out by the second lap. While somebody sacrifices themselves as a pacemaker, mo would find themselves struggle to move up through the huge string of 25-30 athletes that he would have to move around slowly. The Kenyans would slow to 64s by this point, but mo would have to still run laps faster than that running wide to pass people to get back into the race. by 4k the leading group would by be Kenyans with the Ethiopians behind them, and they would be starting to pull ahead with a gap developing between them and the rest off the field. Mo would get to the front of this main field. but then have to make up this gap, and since nobody in the field would want to the make the solo move up into the lead group. After waiting for somebody to move, Mo and Rupp decide to move together and join the lead group, Rupp doing the work for Mo. Kenyans are still running 64s and hit halfway just under 13:20. Halfway threw through the sixth kilometer they would have rejoined the Kenyans, who half dropped all but 1 Ethiopian by this point. After the sixth kilometer the pace begins to slow to 65s as the Kenyan pacers has tired. They Kenyans move past him and he gets dropped. the pace remains at 65 and raises to a 66 before the Kenyans start pushing 63s again to try and drop Mo. There is 2 km left, mo tries to take the lead and slow the pace and holds it for 200 meters before the Kenyans attack and push Again, resulting in a 65 lap, but the Kenyans run the next lap 2 laps in 59 and 61. By not allowing mo to take the lead at this stage, he is not able to slow the pace to prepare for his kick, and thus the playing field is leveled. It is now a battle between the 2 Kenyans and Mo, and a 60 second last lap leaves one of the of the two Kenyans as the victor In a winning time of around 26:35.
Everyone knows this. No one does this. There is no team work. A team (like Sihine, Bekele, that other tall b@stard from the early 2000s) would have been aware that Mo had fallen (in Rio) then dropped a monstrous surge. Hell, they would have punished him for choosing to run in last place from the beginning.
There is no cooperation even if the talent/fitness were there for Kenya and Ethiopia. So there will just be silver medals and below so long as The Slow Mo Show decides to jog around the track.
No Kenyan is capable of running 26:35 right now. Not even Kamworor on a perfect day.
doot doot wrote:
Fast races every race wrote:Despite this, the still have good athletes come out and race, though at the Olympics this year it was a total flop for them. However, Kamworwor and the road guys have more endurance then Mo. If they go at a suicidal (63s for the first couple of laps) pace while mo plays his go the pack game he would have a lot of work to do when the field strings out by the second lap. While somebody sacrifices themselves as a pacemaker, mo would find themselves struggle to move up through the huge string of 25-30 athletes that he would have to move around slowly. The Kenyans would slow to 64s by this point, but mo would have to still run laps faster than that running wide to pass people to get back into the race. by 4k the leading group would by be Kenyans with the Ethiopians behind them, and they would be starting to pull ahead with a gap developing between them and the rest off the field. Mo would get to the front of this main field. but then have to make up this gap, and since nobody in the field would want to the make the solo move up into the lead group. After waiting for somebody to move, Mo and Rupp decide to move together and join the lead group, Rupp doing the work for Mo. Kenyans are still running 64s and hit halfway just under 13:20. Halfway threw through the sixth kilometer they would have rejoined the Kenyans, who half dropped all but 1 Ethiopian by this point. After the sixth kilometer the pace begins to slow to 65s as the Kenyan pacers has tired. They Kenyans move past him and he gets dropped. the pace remains at 65 and raises to a 66 before the Kenyans start pushing 63s again to try and drop Mo. There is 2 km left, mo tries to take the lead and slow the pace and holds it for 200 meters before the Kenyans attack and push Again, resulting in a 65 lap, but the Kenyans run the next lap 2 laps in 59 and 61. By not allowing mo to take the lead at this stage, he is not able to slow the pace to prepare for his kick, and thus the playing field is leveled. It is now a battle between the 2 Kenyans and Mo, and a 60 second last lap leaves one of the of the two Kenyans as the victor In a winning time of around 26:35.
Everyone knows this. No one does this. There is no team work. A team (like Sihine, Bekele, that other tall b@stard from the early 2000s) would have been aware that Mo had fallen (in Rio) then dropped a monstrous surge. Hell, they would have punished him for choosing to run in last place from the beginning.
There is no cooperation even if the talent/fitness were there for Kenya and Ethiopia. So there will just be silver medals and below so long as The Slow Mo Show decides to jog around the track.
No Kenyan is capable of running 26:35 right now. Not even Kamworor on a perfect day.
Sihine and Bekele would have known Farah fell? I don't think EPO gives superpowers mate. These posts are nonsense.
No, in 2017 Mo will go straight to the front and lead all the way on world record pace then entire time, then drops a 53 last lap and runs 26:10. He then repeats this in the 5k running 12:30. Mo is the GOAT
Here we go again
can kam bet Mo
can the Ethios n the Kenyans work as team
Can they make race fast from the gun
blah blah blah blah
C'mon now , u guys been sayin the same shid for 6 yrs now, its really getting old and boring ..yawwwwwn
When it mattered and when it counted the most
Mo was n still invisible whether you like it or not
Go on n keep on ur hate on Mo tho
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