different perspective wrote:
Of course, Farah has won the above exceptions, but that doesn't apply to all.
Sometimes you have to laugh
different perspective wrote:
Of course, Farah has won the above exceptions, but that doesn't apply to all.
Sometimes you have to laugh
Anyone who says medals matter more than world records - even ones that have been beaten - just tell them Wilson MF Kipketer and they are proven wrong forever.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Anyone who says medals matter more than world records - even ones that have been beaten - just tell them Wilson MF Kipketer and they are proven wrong forever.
Kipketer is a perfect example of someone who had a great career that is overshadowed by the fact that he never won the Olympics.
mako wrote:
Deanouk wrote:The reason El G, Geb and Bekele ran faster than Mo, is nothing to do with being wired differently; Mo is as ruthless as anyone; but rather they all competed at a time where there was an EPO free for all, followed by a few years of unreliable and irregular testing.
That's not saying that Mo is necessarily clean, but it's that much harder to dope heavily and get away with it.
I don't believe there is any IAAF cover up for Mo. Certainly not after the expose of 2015.
EPO tests were introduced in 2000, yet all these runners continued to be dominant after that. Bekele was in a top track shape till 2009 and even now he just ran an almost WR in marathon in accordance with his track performances. So unless you think Bekele dopes heavily now like in the golden years of the EPO era it is obvious to anyone that Bekele is simply much better and faster than Farah.
How much out of season testing was Ethiopian Bekele subjected to in the 2000 - 2009 period?
Did he have to submit an hour window whereabouts every day for those 9 years? I think not.
Statistical Analysis wrote:
How much out of season testing was Ethiopian Bekele subjected to in the 2000 - 2009 period?
Did he have to submit an hour window whereabouts every day for those 9 years? I think not.
He probably didn't have to. But if he did I am sure he would have heard the doorbell...
Metric Miler wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:Anyone who says medals matter more than world records - even ones that have been beaten - just tell them Wilson MF Kipketer and they are proven wrong forever.
Kipketer is a perfect example of someone who had a great career that is overshadowed by the fact that he never won the Olympics.
The problem with this is that it my be valid within the running community, outside of the running community, they (the public) really only respect Olympic medals. Ninety-odd percent don't known who Wilson Kipketer is, but they do know Usain Bolt, Sebastian Coe, Mo Farah, Geb etc.
ryan foreman wrote:
I predict here and now that Salazar will organize a serious attempt at a 10000M WR at next year's Prefontaine meet. Featuring Rupp and Farah along with some high level (and well paid) pace setters.
Interesting, but in late May, I'm not sure that Rupp or Mo could run anywhere near close to the WR. But I do think a 26:40 time is possible.
Statistical Analysis wrote:
mako wrote:EPO tests were introduced in 2000, yet all these runners continued to be dominant after that. Bekele was in a top track shape till 2009 and even now he just ran an almost WR in marathon in accordance with his track performances. So unless you think Bekele dopes heavily now like in the golden years of the EPO era it is obvious to anyone that Bekele is simply much better and faster than Farah.
How much out of season testing was Ethiopian Bekele subjected to in the 2000 - 2009 period?
Did he have to submit an hour window whereabouts every day for those 9 years? I think not.
You "think not", but you certainly don´t know.
none in ethiopia during that time
we know that
well,. wrote:
That also explains why they ran so much faster in the marathon 10 years ago. Oh, wait...
blood dope is less effective at marathon distance
that explains a lot of it
Metric Miler wrote:
Too difficult.
Farah doesn't claim to be the fastest of all time. As time goes on people will appreciate the rarity of some world record's and will just focus on the current competition, much like a large portion of the women's sport.
Nobody said "wow, Elaine did well this year, but that was no 10.5..."
I really don't think women races are a good example to predict what will happen with male records in the future. In particular, it is well known that the 100m record was wind aided, and that the real world record is more something like 10.66 by Carmelita Jeter (see here
http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/). BTW, Elaine got really close to that.
not really95 wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:Too difficult.
Farah doesn't claim to be the fastest of all time. As time goes on people will appreciate the rarity of some world record's and will just focus on the current competition, much like a large portion of the women's sport.
Nobody said "wow, Elaine did well this year, but that was no 10.5..."
I really don't think women races are a good example to predict what will happen with male records in the future. In particular, it is well known that the 100m record was wind aided, and that the real world record is more something like 10.66 by Carmelita Jeter (see here
http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/). BTW, Elaine got really close to that.
I disagree, the men's events will absolutely follow the trend of the women's events. The disputed wind figure in that one race is irrelevant.
Who is running 1:53 these days? 47? 2:15?
Who cares?
not really95 wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:Too difficult.
Farah doesn't claim to be the fastest of all time. As time goes on people will appreciate the rarity of some world record's and will just focus on the current competition, much like a large portion of the women's sport.
Nobody said "wow, Elaine did well this year, but that was no 10.5..."
I really don't think women races are a good example to predict what will happen with male records in the future. In particular, it is well known that the 100m record was wind aided, and that the real world record is more something like 10.66 by Carmelita Jeter (see here
http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/). BTW, Elaine got really close to that.
Also, Jeter never ran 10.66 and that is not the second quickest time of all time. Really terrible use of sources there.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_100ok.htmMetric Miler wrote:
Also, Jeter never ran 10.66 and that is not the second quickest time of all time. Really terrible use of sources there.
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_100ok.htm
My source adjusted times according to the wind. I think it's quite stupid not to consider wind when you talk about who was the fastest 100m runner.
Ido wrote:
Why Farah never goes for WR?
He has speed, he runs sub 3:30 for 1500. Why doesn't he tries to go for WR on 5000 and 10000?
He never tries that on the diamond league
Why do professional baseball players not dive for the ball in the regular season?
Money.
Longevity = more $$.
I bet if someone paid him 1 million to go for it her would. Same reason he tried a marathon... He got paid big.
You're probably right.
Would like to see him go after some european records
3:46:42 mile
7:26:62 3000 meter
12:49:71 5000 meter
Do think that he should at least be capable of beating these records.
Two from a convicted doper, mohammed mourhit.
Olympic gold medals are far more important than world records. Far more. Especially when you have four of them plus a bunch of world championships golds. Farah's streak of Olympic and Worlds victories is up to nine. That's far more impressive than any world record.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year