what do you guys think he could run for the 400h, im betting sub 50, anyone else feel that?
what do you guys think he could run for the 400h, im betting sub 50, anyone else feel that?
Would not even be close to that fast. Evan's problem is lack of accelerating genuine speed.
being able to cover moves in a 3 k steeple is way different than an all out 400 tho
54.5 - 55.5
DVCm8 wrote:
what do you guys think he could run for the 400h, im betting sub 50, anyone else feel that?
I really hope you're trolling. Pay attention to the following time differentials from the flat 4 to the int hurdles:
+5 Seconds: An ok hurdler. Can hit most hurdles well, but sloppy here and there.
+4 Seconds: A good hurdler. Generally smooth but with maybe a little stuttering here and there.
+3 Seconds: An excellent hurdler, smooth throughout, but maybe with some alternating.
+2 Seconds: Edwin Moses. Flawlessly smooth throughout.
Most elite hurdlers have about a 3 second time differential. A decent collegiate hurdler with good speed but only ok technique is about 4-5 seconds difference usually. Mind you, these are still guys with multiple years of experience under their belts. The rhythm of the 400 hurdles is incredibly difficult to get right.
So unless Jager is a the moment a 45 second open quarter runner or better with a magical sense of rhythm and fluidity, not a chance in hell her breaks 50.
Say he's 47 sec in the open. I'd add a solid 8+ seconds because he'd have no idea what he was doing step-wise. 54-55.
Jager was a sub 50 open 400 guy in HS
This is a tfrrs page of a college athlete who has ran 9:26 steeple and 56.01 400h. Based on this, I would say Jager would be able to go 53 seconds or even faster for 400h. But hey what do I know?
TrackBot! PRs Evan Jager
PRs for Evan Jager:
800 m (Outdoor): 1:51.04 on 4 Apr 2008
800 m (Indoor): 1:50.10 OT on 30 Jan 2010
1000 m (Indoor): 2:20.39 OT on 17 Jan 2015
1500 m (Outdoor): 3:32.97 on 14 Jun 2015
1500 m (Indoor): 3:40.88+ on 14 Feb 2015
One Mile (Outdoor): 3:53.33 on 31 May 2014
One Mile (Indoor): 3:55.25 on 14 Feb 2015
Mile, road (Outdoor): 3:58 on 22 Sep 2013
2000 m (Indoor): 4:57.56 on 15 Feb 2014
3000 m (Outdoor): 7:35.16 on 17 Aug 2012
3000 m (Indoor): 7:39.98+ on 16 Feb 2013
Two Miles (Outdoor): 8:47.59 on 15 Jun 2007
Two Miles (Indoor): 8:14.95 on 16 Feb 2013
5000 m (Outdoor): 13:02.40 on 6 Sep 2013
5000 m (Indoor): 13:33.37 on 1 Mar 2013
5 km (Outdoor): 14:12 on 5 Nov 2011
10 km (Outdoor): 28:54 on 31 Dec 2015
3000 m steeple (Outdoor): 8:00.45Â AR on 4 Jul 2015
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If he truly was a sub 50 guy in HS (in the open not the 4x4) I would say 52low-53low... I've seen guys in division 3 that would run 49lows and then turn around and run 52mids-53lows. No way they are that much better at hurdling 36in hurdles than the American record holder in steeple.
sorry charli wrote:
Would not even be close to that fast. Evan's problem is lack of accelerating genuine speed.
Yep. Jager does not have adequate leg speed velocity to accelerate the needed genuine speed.
Benjamins wrote:
If he truly was a sub 50 guy in HS (in the open not the 4x4) I would say 52low-53low... I've seen guys in division 3 that would run 49lows and then turn around and run 52mids-53lows. No way they are that much better at hurdling 36in hurdles than the American record holder in steeple.
1. There definitely is a way they are much better at hurdling 36in hurdles than the American record holder in steeple. Namely, practicing hurdles instead of steeplechase barriers.
2. People get caught up on the hurdle technique of the intermediate race. It's not how you go over them so much as your step pattern and ability to adjust. Kerron Clement is not good at adjusting, but he's quite possibly the fastest flat 4 guy to ever focus on the 400h. A blazing fast guy with great hurdle technique will struggle mightily when he realizes he's running up on a hurdle or is too far away--stutter stepping and lunging are not tenets of Edwin Moses's 400 Hurdling 101 Course. These cause 5s+ 400 to 400h differentials (as opposed to 2-3s for a practiced intermediate hurdler), while hurdle technique could cause some extra tenths.
Jager has said he is not very fast. He currently trains for the 3k and 5k. He does not focus much on barrier spacing. He has injected some barrier work at speed, but 10 hurdles (that won't knock you off your ass) at an all-out sprint (kind of...) is much different than 300m with a couple huge barriers and a water jump and 7 laps in your legs. Sub-52 would be very surprising. Possible with some training, but that would be useless. Obviously.
Jack M. wrote:
sorry charli wrote:Would not even be close to that fast. Evan's problem is lack of accelerating genuine speed.
Yep. Jager does not have adequate leg speed velocity to accelerate the needed genuine speed.
Are you adjusting for his cadence rapidity?