Where does the Aden case stand at the moment? Is he still stuck in Spain with Baala? Has any further info been released?
Where does the Aden case stand at the moment? Is he still stuck in Spain with Baala? Has any further info been released?
They got their passports back in early August, in exchange for 50,000 Euros bail.
Apparently no new news since June.
Well, that fish sure got away. Wonder where they'll go next year for their base camp? If one of the reasons was the easy procurement/use of drugs, that could really hinder their buildup. Ironically, I just watched an 800m race in rieti from 2014 where balla (had his passport confiscated in Spain, I think?) chases makhloufi to the line.
He didn't get away yet. The Spanish investigation is still on-going.
The IAAF doesn't have to wait for any court case, in order to issue bans, if they found a rule violation occurred.
Outside of the passports returned for bail, I haven't seen any new "real" information since this thread here, suggesting the Spanish police might have targeted the wrong group:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7469800
It's hard to say anything conclusive with so little information coming out. We are all like Torrence and Driouch, with no real knowledge of any actual doping.
rekrunner wrote:
He didn't get away yet. The Spanish investigation is still on-going.
The IAAF doesn't have to wait for any court case, in order to issue bans, if they found a rule violation occurred.
Outside of the passports returned for bail, I haven't seen any new "real" information since this thread here, suggesting the Spanish police might have targeted the wrong group:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7469800It's hard to say anything conclusive with so little information coming out. We are all like Torrence and Driouch, with no real knowledge of any actual doping.
They targeted the right group. That physiology was the stool pigeon. How hard it is to nail these b@stards is shown by the fact bone of the athletes failed the tests. One or other of those groups is using that EPO!
That 3:50 was doped
Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure your faith and conviction are strong, but I'm also sure you speak with less knowledge than Torrence and Driouch, who admitted even they don't know what is in Aden's "vitamin injections for recovery". A three-year investigation and two raids produced inconclusive evidence."Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to believe."
ukathleticcoach wrote:
rekrunner wrote:He didn't get away yet. The Spanish investigation is still on-going.
The IAAF doesn't have to wait for any court case, in order to issue bans, if they found a rule violation occurred.
Outside of the passports returned for bail, I haven't seen any new "real" information since this thread here, suggesting the Spanish police might have targeted the wrong group:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7469800It's hard to say anything conclusive with so little information coming out. We are all like Torrence and Driouch, with no real knowledge of any actual doping.
They targeted the right group. That physiology was the stool pigeon. How hard it is to nail these b@stards is shown by the fact bone of the athletes failed the tests. One or other of those groups is using that EPO!
That 3:50 was doped
ukathleticcoach wrote:
rekrunner wrote:He didn't get away yet. The Spanish investigation is still on-going.
The IAAF doesn't have to wait for any court case, in order to issue bans, if they found a rule violation occurred.
Outside of the passports returned for bail, I haven't seen any new "real" information since this thread here, suggesting the Spanish police might have targeted the wrong group:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7469800It's hard to say anything conclusive with so little information coming out. We are all like Torrence and Driouch, with no real knowledge of any actual doping.
They targeted the right group. That physiology was the stool pigeon. How hard it is to nail these b@stards is shown by the fact bone of the athletes failed the tests. One or other of those groups is using that EPO!
That 3:50 was doped
So, so, true. It's hard to say but our sport is totally corrupt at the top.
rekrunner wrote:
Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure your faith and conviction are strong, but I'm also sure you speak with less knowledge than Torrence and Driouch, who admitted even they don't know what is in Aden's "vitamin injections for recovery". A three-year investigation and two raids produced inconclusive evidence.
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to believe."
ukathleticcoach wrote:They targeted the right group. That physiology was the stool pigeon. How hard it is to nail these b@stards is shown by the fact bone of the athletes failed the tests. One or other of those groups is using that EPO!
That 3:50 was doped
Really, do you honestly believe that it's normal to have that many vials of EPO and testosterone. "Vitamin injections" that is dodgy in its self. IAAF could have banned this guy straight away for life.
Like Aden, the IAAF works for Nike. Uncle Phil only had to pony up 50,000 Euros for 'bail' and the whole thing is forgotten.
Ours is a corrupt sport.
The wheels of Spanish justice turn slowly it seems. I expect this case to drag on at least as long as Operation Puerto.
What I don't honestly believe is that ADEN had "that many vials of EPO and testosterone". "Vitamin injections" are not dodgy, if they are truly vitamin injections. The IAAF did not ban him for life.
Dead Nike Lunar Forever 2s wrote:
Really, do you honestly believe that it's normal to have that many vials of EPO and testosterone. "Vitamin injections" that is dodgy in its self. IAAF could have banned this guy straight away for life.
rekrunner wrote:
What I don't honestly believe is that ADEN had "that many vials of EPO and testosterone". "Vitamin injections" are not dodgy, if they are truly vitamin injections. The IAAF did not ban him for life.
Dead Nike Lunar Forever 2s wrote:Really, do you honestly believe that it's normal to have that many vials of EPO and testosterone. "Vitamin injections" that is dodgy in its self. IAAF could have banned this guy straight away for life.
Oh, he had the dope, that's for sure. NOP, brits and russians are all on dope all the time. That is a fact beyond dispute.
brit dopers wrote:
rekrunner wrote:What I don't honestly believe is that ADEN had "that many vials of EPO and testosterone". "Vitamin injections" are not dodgy, if they are truly vitamin injections. The IAAF did not ban him for life.
Oh, he had the dope, that's for sure. NOP, brits and russians are all on dope all the time. That is a fact beyond dispute.
Correct. Every honest and intelligent person knows that Aden, the Brits and NOPe are completely filthy.
As soon as it was reported that IAAF was "working closely with Spanish police," it should have been clear to everyone that they were involved control the outcome and that no charges would be filed. IAAF made sure that WADA managed the drug testing, and WADA has made it abundantly clear that their primary interest is in promoting a positive and drug-free image (not a drug-free sport). Perhaps they have a secondary interest in taking bribes, but that's speculation, whereas actively undermining drug investigations is well documented.
rekrunner wrote:
What I don't honestly believe is that ADEN had "that many vials of EPO and testosterone". "Vitamin injections" are not dodgy, if they are truly vitamin injections. The IAAF did not ban him for life.
Dead Nike Lunar Forever 2s wrote:Really, do you honestly believe that it's normal to have that many vials of EPO and testosterone. "Vitamin injections" that is dodgy in its self. IAAF could have banned this guy straight away for life.
Don't be ridiculous, this is what is wrong with our sport. Naive idiots give the the crooks running the show the green light to rort our sport. When they finally catch someone red handed, they let them off.
If they had actually caught Aden red-handed with doping products, I could see your point. According to the newspaper reports in June, they only caught Mounir red-handed. Aden was found with non-doping substances not banned by WADA, yet still illegal in Spain. If you have updated information, please share it by providing a link to something authoritative.
Dead Nike Lunar Forever 2s wrote:
rekrunner wrote:What I don't honestly believe is that ADEN had "that many vials of EPO and testosterone". "Vitamin injections" are not dodgy, if they are truly vitamin injections. The IAAF did not ban him for life.
Don't be ridiculous, this is what is wrong with our sport. Naive idiots give the the crooks running the show the green light to rort our sport. When they finally catch someone red handed, they let them off.
Curious as to what he was disposing in bins around the city, utilising different routes. Spain cooperating with IAAF is obviously concerning given the IAAF's sordid past regarding drug use/abuse.
Updates since June are scarce, and with courts involved, likely won't be speedy. Non-UK newspapers then said "non-doping products, but still illegal in Spain". Not sure what is obviously concerning about the IAAF cooperating with Spanish police or what you mean exactly by the IAAF's sordid past regarding drug use/abuse. The IAAF is not being investigated, but rather one of the investigators. The IAAF's recent past is not about drug abuse, but failed extortion attempts from previous IAAF leaders. Aden wasn't putting cash in the bins.
rekrunner wrote:
Updates since June are scarce, and with courts involved, likely won't be speedy. Non-UK newspapers then said "non-doping products, but still illegal in Spain". Not sure what is obviously concerning about the IAAF cooperating with Spanish police or what you mean exactly by the IAAF's sordid past regarding drug use/abuse. The IAAF is not being investigated, but rather one of the investigators. The IAAF's recent past is not about drug abuse, but failed extortion attempts from previous IAAF leaders. Aden wasn't putting cash in the bins.
Do you genuinely believe there is nothing going on doping wise with this guy?
I have no words.
I don't want to talk about belief. This thread is about "Aden updates in Spain". I have no reason to doubt the accounts of the raid from El Pais and El Confidencial from June, and since then there have been few updates.