So i get that stretching doesnt really help for injury prevention, but how bout speed? I can run a 5k in 17:45, a 2 mile in 11:30, a mile in 5:45, and a 800 in 2:50 and a 400 in 1:20... would stretching help me get faster? My track coach told me stretching=speed?
stretching? wrote:
So i get that stretching doesnt really help for injury prevention, but how bout speed?
Well as a 50+ distance runner, and marathoner since 1978, post-run stretching has become essential for injury prevention.
To be fast you need to have an optimal amount of flexibility. If you don't have this optimal amount of flexibility stretching can help.
so if i cant even touch my shins I should stretch?
stretching? wrote:
so if i cant even touch my shins I should stretch?
yes
a minimum baseline of range of movement (flexibility) is required for optimal running
Used to be Rono wrote:
stretching? wrote:So i get that stretching doesnt really help for injury prevention, but how bout speed?
Well as a 50+ distance runner, and marathoner since 1978, post-run stretching has become essential for injury prevention.
Yep!
Don't stretch. Get injured. Can't run. Much slower than otherwise.
I think this every time I see Abdi Abdiraham run.... He would be considerably better if he didn't look like he was rigging up from the gun.
Stretching can injure you too, especially when you are pushing physical limits with running and other training activities. Know what you are doing.
I think a lot of this high hamstring stuff might be stretching and or weight lifting induced as much as it is from running. Don't mess yourself up trying to fix something.
stretching? wrote:
So i get that stretching doesnt really help for injury prevention, but how bout speed? I can run a 5k in 17:45, a 2 mile in 11:30, a mile in 5:45, and a 800 in 2:50 and a 400 in 1:20... would stretching help me get faster? My track coach told me stretching=speed?
Stretching before running doesn't help as much as people used to think. Warming up exercises are much more important. Stretching after doesn't necessarily help either.
*Being flexible helps to prevent injuries.*
The best time to become/stay flexible is to stretch after running
I have no idea if it will make you faster
From personal experience, I don't think stretching makes you faster per say, it definitely aids in recovery though.
Ehh depends wrote:
... per say ...
Is this a joke? If you're going to use a pretentious Latin phrase, you are completely asinine if you misspell it, exempli gratia, id est, per se, vide supra, vide infra, ad hoc, et cetera, ad infinitum
1:39.99 wrote:
Used to be Rono wrote:Well as a 50+ distance runner, and marathoner since 1978, post-run stretching has become essential for injury prevention.
Yep!
Don't stretch. Get injured. Can't run. Much slower than otherwise.
Typical ignorance from distance runners, which is a reason why so many distance runners are soooo slow.
It has been know for at least 15 years that stretching does NOT reduce injuries, and it has been known for 5-10 years that static stretching makes you weaker and slower, and this applies to all forms of exercise including aerobic running. Dozens of studies have been done that all show the same thing. It can take up to an hour to overcome the negative performance effects of static stretching. These days with all the info on the web, any coach this misinformed should have not athletes with him
What TO do--standard drills like A-B-C as a dynamic warmup.
Galloway advised against stretching and weight lifting.
No, stretching does not make you faster and does not prevent injury.
You need to tension in your muscles and tendons to run faster, watch the Kenyans run, they appear to bounce, that is tension.
Do not stretch unless touching your toes is more important to you than running fast.
idk there are guys sub 16 for the 5k on my team who stretch a little, so is it really that bad if they do it and they r faster than me..
coach d wrote:
Typical ignorance from distance runners, which is a reason why so many distance runners are soooo slow.
It has been know for at least 15 years that stretching does NOT reduce injuries, and it has been known for 5-10 years that static stretching makes you weaker and slower, and this applies to all forms of exercise including aerobic running. Dozens of studies have been done that all show the same thing. It can take up to an hour to overcome the negative performance effects of static stretching. These days with all the info on the web, any coach this misinformed should have not athletes with him
What TO do--standard drills like A-B-C as a dynamic warmup.
Are you sure this is true for everyone of all flexibility ranges? Is there any minimum level of baseline flexibility that is favorable for runners? Because I would presume that severe chronic tightness would have strong disadvantages, based on what trainers and PT's have told me.
Sprinters and hurdlers, generally speaking, are very flexible. So if I wanted to train to be a sprinter/hurdler should I give up and say inflexible genetics has screwed me over? Or are you saying static stretching is simply not the best method of gaining range of motion?
I personally have never found dynamic stretching or drills to confer much in terms of range of motion gains, although I don't know what research has shown about this.
There is some fuzzy math or something going on here, or maybe a temporal distortion or reporting error.
OP, none of those PR paces make any sense. Are they not PRs (e.g. are they workout times or something)? Is the 5k from a track or a (very fast and short) cross country course?
5000m: 5:41 min/mile pace.
3200m: 5:45 min/mile pace
1600m: 5:45 min/mile pace
800m: 5:40 min/mile pace
400m: 5:20 min/mile pace
Even if your leg speed is not great, that just doesn't make any sense.
lol ok no not really but the 5k is closer to 5:45 pace, my 3200 PR is 11:30 (from the season before, i made a good jump in xc), my mile is 5:29 (but Ive only run it once in a race and i opened all my xc races in 5:29 last year), my 800 prolly closer to 2:28, 400 fastest ever was first 400 of a mile in 68
so ya i exaggerated but still
i was injured over this track season btw thats why no new results
Skips Arm Day wrote:
coach d wrote:Typical ignorance from distance runners, which is a reason why so many distance runners are soooo slow.
It has been know for at least 15 years that stretching does NOT reduce injuries, and it has been known for 5-10 years that static stretching makes you weaker and slower, and this applies to all forms of exercise including aerobic running. Dozens of studies have been done that all show the same thing. It can take up to an hour to overcome the negative performance effects of static stretching. These days with all the info on the web, any coach this misinformed should have not athletes with him
What TO do--standard drills like A-B-C as a dynamic warmup.
Are you sure this is true for everyone of all flexibility ranges? Is there any minimum level of baseline flexibility that is favorable for runners? Because I would presume that severe chronic tightness would have strong disadvantages, based on what trainers and PT's have told me.
Sprinters and hurdlers, generally speaking, are very flexible. So if I wanted to train to be a sprinter/hurdler should I give up and say inflexible genetics has screwed me over? Or are you saying static stretching is simply not the best method of gaining range of motion?
I personally have never found dynamic stretching or drills to confer much in terms of range of motion gains, although I don't know what research has shown about this.
Coach D is just dealing with PNSO in his own way.
Static stretching is useful, in its place. For me, stretching hip flexors, quads, and calves pays off.
But static stretching for warmup is ineffective at best, and can be detrimental to performance. You don't get warmed up, you dissipate muscle tension, and can leave muscles slack and easier to injure. Warm up with easy running, some strides, and maybe some faerie skips if you're into it.