Casually watching some Tennis this week and it seems pretty obvious that Serena has a genetic/testosterone advantage over her competition - Granted the gender gap is a bit closer in Tennis - Why do we look at Caster and say "Her T levels are too high, too much of an advantage" but comparing Serena Williams to her, shes just better?...23 grand slams? isn't there something fishy here?
Yes, she has biceps bigger some NFL players, but she also has a woman's face, boobs and is American. The last being the most important. Caster is loved in South Africa. I'm sure Williams is doping though. :)
She clearly appears to be female as she has obvious secondary female sexual characteristics - rounded face, wide hips, smaller waist, breasts, etc.. She appears to be a female who has inherited from her parents a tendency to be muscular and to build muscle easily, but this isn't a purely male characteristic.
Whereas Semenya is more clearly male, with no breasts, a square shaped male face, heavier thigh muscles in front of the femur and so on. Semenya is also on record as having testes (which produce very high levels male levels of testosterone) and therefore must have a Y chromosome and be male (because humans cannot make testes without being XY) whereas Serena shows no signs of being anything other than a muscular, rugged female, who is very strong compared to more slight female competitors.
What I'm saying is that you get males (XY) with feminine traits (because they didn't correctly develop as males) but not females with male traits, because all foetuses start off as female and then roughly half develop into males.
There is no comparison. Serena has obvious female features and Semenya does not. Serena doesn't have an Adam's Apple and Semeya does. Serena is very strong, but her features (hips, breasts, etc.) are feminine.
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Caster Semenya doesn't have a body like this:
https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/serena-williams-featured-2.jpg
Boobage says GIRL in this case. Just MHO
What the OP is trying to trying to say is: she has dark skin and I hate people with dark skin. They should not compete with pure, white athletes.
gobacktoflushing wrote:
Casually watching some Tennis this week and it seems pretty obvious that Serena has a genetic/testosterone advantage over her competition - Granted the gender gap is a bit closer in Tennis - Why do we look at Caster and say "Her T levels are too high, too much of an advantage" but comparing Serena Williams to her, shes just better?...23 grand slams? isn't there something fishy here?
This might be the dumbest post in letsrun history. It's pretty obvious to me that Rafael Nadal has a genetic advantage over the competition as well and Usain Bolt.
The she has high testosterone argument is a red herring. I have witten a draft article on Semenay which I haven't had teh courage to publish yet as many people don't know the facts about Semenya.
Its' believed that Semenya is XY chromomally and has testicles and no ovary or uterus.
Williams? Are you crazy? I used to work in women's tennis. I worked at the first major tournament she ever played in and knew her. She came across as your average 15 year old girl. She's just a great athlete. She has boobs and ovary and everything else every woman has.
Semenya is the classic definition of intersex. When I told a very liberal friend of mine (former speechwriter for a Democratic senator) the detaisl of Semenya, she responded to me, "Oh I had no idea she was male on the inside."
To quote a famous lyricist..." She's a brick house...mighty mighty..."
No. She is on the Flo Jo-Jarmila KratochvÃlová-Marita Koch spectrum.
lol lol lol lol wrote:
No. She is on the Flo Jo-Jarmila KratochvÃlová-Marita Koch spectrum.
Compare some photos from 2008 or earlier to today. HGH and who-knows-what-else is clearly altering her appearance.
Implants to boobs and butt gives the false impression of femininity.
gobacktoflushing wrote:
Casually watching some Tennis this week and it seems pretty obvious that Serena has a genetic/testosterone advantage over her competition - Granted the gender gap is a bit closer in Tennis - Why do we look at Caster and say "Her T levels are too high, too much of an advantage" but comparing Serena Williams to her, shes just better?...23 grand slams? isn't there something fishy here?
Two things, one Serena is all-girl heterosexual having have relationships with several men; two, Serena has several ultra female characteristics and there are lots of men who think she sexy. Two, Serena won 23 grand slams because she is big, strong, athletics and an 'excellent skilled tennis player'. Even at the youth level, when she was much smaller, she was a dominant tennis player. She was the number one ranked number-one at age 10 and was quite small at that time.
rojo wrote:
gobacktoflushing wrote:Casually watching some Tennis this week and it seems pretty obvious that Serena has a genetic/testosterone advantage over her competition - Granted the gender gap is a bit closer in Tennis - Why do we look at Caster and say "Her T levels are too high, too much of an advantage" but comparing Serena Williams to her, shes just better?...23 grand slams? isn't there something fishy here?
This might be the dumbest post in letsrun history. It's pretty obvious to me that Rafael Nadal has a genetic advantage over the competition as well and Usain Bolt.
The she has high testosterone argument is a red herring. I have witten a draft article on Semenay which I haven't had teh courage to publish yet as many people don't know the facts about Semenya.
Its' believed that Semenya is XY chromomally and has testicles and no ovary or uterus.
Williams? Are you crazy? I used to work in women's tennis. I worked at the first major tournament she ever played in and knew her. She came across as your average 15 year old girl. She's just a great athlete. She has boobs and ovary and everything else every woman has.
Semenya is the classic definition of intersex. When I told a very liberal friend of mine (former speechwriter for a Democratic senator) the detaisl of Semenya, she responded to me, "Oh I had no idea she was male on the inside."
Yes. The intersex accusations are worse than the doping allegations. Please stop.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
lol lol lol lol wrote:No. She is on the Flo Jo-Jarmila KratochvÃlová-Marita Koch spectrum.
Compare some photos from 2008 or earlier to today. HGH and who-knows-what-else is clearly altering her appearance.
I'm too lazy to post the photos that will easily disprove your claim, but since it is your claim, why don't you post the photos to prove it?
I have to assume that people who continue to make stupid statements on here and don't realize that Serena is highly desirable female either lack imagination or experience or both.
Tennis was basically a free for all for decades. When they started testing, the silent suspensions started. Which means that there's absolutely no mystery as of why Serena looks the way she does.
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Caster Semenya doesn't have a body like this:
https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/serena-williams-featured-2.jpg
She looks like a woman, but must weigh at least 200 pounds.
rojo wrote:
I have witten a draft article on Semenay which I haven't had teh courage to publish yet as many people don't know the facts about Semenya.
If a female naturally produces large amounts of testosterone or consumes artificial testosterone, it makes no difference. These females are intersex.
Serena Williams is not the extreme version of intersex like Caster Semenya, but Serena Williams cannot be defined as a pure female either.
When a female athlete takes absurd amounts of steroids, the female athlete can literally turn into the extreme form of intersex.
This is what happened to the East German athlete Heidi Krieger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQhUjaiveAg
This is a strong reason why steroids have to be banned from all sports.
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