Murphy, Symmonds, Webb, Kenah, Krummenacker all trained more endurance base than sprint based. Proving how important endurance work is for 800 specialists. All you collegiate 800 runners keep that in mind.
DONT NEGLECT AEROBIC TRAINING!!!
Murphy, Symmonds, Webb, Kenah, Krummenacker all trained more endurance base than sprint based. Proving how important endurance work is for 800 specialists. All you collegiate 800 runners keep that in mind.
DONT NEGLECT AEROBIC TRAINING!!!
You're right! Except for Berian, Sowinski, Solomon, KD, Johnson.
See, I can list names and make up a conclusion as well.
Clearly, you can see success from both ends. I am not disputing your advice to college 800 runners.
The letter why wrote:
You're right! Except for Berian, Sowinski, Solomon, KD, Johnson.
Olympic and World Medalists???
**crickets**
That's what I thought.
800/1500 double more common at all levels than 400/800.
Centro ran his Olympic 1500- his last 400 was at 800m WR pace!! He basically ran 1/2 the 800 WR in a 1500!
Gray, Solomon are both not modern?
Although there are definitely a lot of top endurance based 800 guys, the very top 800 guy in the world right now and for most of the last decade is speed based, and plenty of the top dudes over the last few years have come from sprint backgrounds--Tuka, Amos, Bosse, Solomon, and Borzakovskiy all come to mind.
That being said, don't neglect aerobic training is really, really good advice for high school and early collegiate 800 guys. It's easy to run an 800 well off talent and sprint training; it's hard to run rounds well and be consistent without that strong aerobic base.
gotta take into consideration that far more endurance based people are going to try the 800 than sprinters. Likely a lot of world class 400 runners who would make great 800m runners but choose to stay at 400.
Aerobic Neglect wrote:
Proving how important endurance work is for 800 specialists.
I don't think you understand what proof is. If there exists both endurance and speed based runners, then that proves it can be done from either end. Having more endurance based 800m runners than speed based does NOT prove anything. That is just a statistic. The number of either is not significant.
Aerobic Neglect wrote:
The letter why wrote:You're right! Except for Berian, Sowinski, Solomon, KD, Johnson.
Olympic and World Medalists???
**crickets**
That's what I thought.
800/1500 double more common at all levels than 400/800.
Centro ran his Olympic 1500- his last 400 was at 800m WR pace!! He basically ran 1/2 the 800 WR in a 1500!
"All levels" lol.
Rudisha. Kipketer.
Solomon. Berian.
Your conclusion isn't even well premised. Never mind your horrible logic.
HurdleMVP wrote:
...it's hard to run rounds well and be consistent without that strong aerobic base.
Getting through rounds has nothing to do with having a strong aerobic base. Getting through the rounds is about not fatiguing yourself too much through the rounds. Your body will recover fine whether you are sprint based or endurance based as long as you aren't running max effort in the qualifying rounds.
I'd argue that endurance guys are often able to be more consistent over rounds because coming from an endurance background, it's easier to run for place rather than time--speed guys run best going out hard and dying as little as possible, but will often have a harder time closing well in slower races (and are thus forced either to take it out hard, spending more energy on the rounds than the guys that can sit and kick off a 54/51 1:45, or risk getting beaten if they close poorly in a slower race).
Consider that the two most speed-oriented guys in the 800 final in Rio, Rudisha and Bosse, had led and won their heat every previous round rather than trying to fight for place in a slower race, whereas Makhloufi and Murphy both sat and kicked in the earlier rounds.
Donovan Brazier runs 20 miles a week and ran 1:43.5 at 19 and is top 10 in the world. 20 miles a week, it just depends on the runner.
Surprised no one mentioned Kiprop and Makhloufi. Makhloufi is a strong runner with some speed. I'm currently trying to get my mileage up and have a good first year in college.
HurdleMVP wrote:
I'd argue that endurance guys are often able to be more consistent over rounds because coming from an endurance background, it's easier to run for place rather than time--speed guys run best going out hard and dying as little as possible, but will often have a harder time closing well in slower races (and are thus forced either to take it out hard, spending more energy on the rounds than the guys that can sit and kick off a 54/51 1:45, or risk getting beaten if they close poorly in a slower race).
Consider that the two most speed-oriented guys in the 800 final in Rio, Rudisha and Bosse, had led and won their heat every previous round rather than trying to fight for place in a slower race, whereas Makhloufi and Murphy both sat and kicked in the earlier rounds.
Rudisha and Bosse do that because they have sprinter mentality. It has nothing to do with physiology. Sprinters are more alpha about racing and distance runners are more beta.
Endurance guys are also tougher mentally. He who dies the slowest wins at 2 laps and that struggle is mostly mental.
Medals don't mean shit, they measure 3x800 ability over a few days. If Murphy tries to run DL series he will be owned on a regular basis just like Symmonds and Solomon.
The US gets "endurance" 800 runners - and loses - because the scholastic system forces everyone with the speed to be world elite into shorter sprints, where they can do doubles and relays and win more points.
Aerobic Neglect wrote:
Murphy, Symmonds, Webb, Kenah, Krummenacker all trained more endurance base than sprint based. Proving how important endurance work is for 800 specialists. All you collegiate 800 runners keep that in mind.
DONT NEGLECT AEROBIC TRAINING!!!
These are the "best modern era US 800 runners"? Only two of them have done anything of note at 800m in the last 5 years. You couldn't come up with better examples?
Bad Wigins wrote:
Medals don't mean shit, they measure 3x800 ability over a few days. If Murphy tries to run DL series he will be owned on a regular basis just like Symmonds and Solomon.
The US gets "endurance" 800 runners - and loses - because the scholastic system forces everyone with the speed to be world elite into shorter sprints, where they can do doubles and relays and win more points.
You tell 'em Brad!! Make sure they know that you are ... well, you are ... that your name is a bad joke and that you know nothing about this subject. It shouldn't be too hard. Every time you write, I am keenly aware of how little you know.
Both US 800m runners who made it to the Olympic finals can split 45.
Brazier also a 45 split guy.
Speed is inescapable.
Murphy has more or less ordinary strength for an 800 runner.
Respectably good but not outstanding stamina-side, every collegiate team has a guy
who can run an 800m in ~2.25 x his 4x400 split, but few teams have an 800 guy who can split a 45.
Hey guys, here's a shocking FACT for you all....I hope you are sitting down.....
The 800m is primarily an ENDURANCE event.
Anyone who thinks they can "sprint" to top 800m success is living in a dreamworld. (Or at letsrun.)
Your welcome.
Every "endurance" 800 runner is capable of a sub 50 400. There were some crazy claims on the recent sub 50 400 thread, but none about anyone running sub 50 without sprinting.
Your "endurance" elite may only go out in 52, but that's still sprinting, though it may look relatively slow as they are in DFL.
Real world elites can run sub 50, off a crouch not blocks, for the first lap and then tack a 52 onto it. That is a sprint the whole way. End of discussion. Please no more idiots claiming it's not a sprint at the elite level. You can stride your way to 60 second pace, but not 50.