Is Rupp only 1:25 better than Ward in the marathon?

Majority Decision wrote:

Did Rupp underperform or did Ward outperform. I would have expected the time differential between the two of them yo have been bigger. Given that neither of them won the race, their respective times can be considered maximal effort. I don't think Rupp blew up that badly either. Is the takeaway that Rupp isn't that good after all, or is Ward better than we think he is?

Is Kipchoge only 2:46 better than Ward? Is Ward a sub-2:06 marathoner?

Until Kipchoge made a move, the pace was optimal for Ward, too slow for Kipchoge and Rupp.

I think the takeaway is that Kipchoge is the best marathoner in the world, Rupp is now a marathon runner and can contend at WMM events and Ward is better than most people gave him credit for.

Jerry Maguire wrote:

lol

Only 1:25 better than Ward?

What everyone is missing is the fact that the 1:25 difference came in the last 10k.

So if Rupp was to run a marathon flat out against Ward, that 1:25 difference would GROW exponentially... probably to around 5 minutes total if not more!

But yea... good job morons.

Actually you are the moron. How stupid are you? Rupp might be 1:25 faster than Ward in a 10k. He may not be more than a couple minutes faster in a marathon. They are DIFFERENT races.

Galen is a couple minutes better than Ward in the marathon easily

He's a 2:06-7 guy already wards best is 2:11:30 basically

Galen is 1:25 better than Ward only on a hot day in which Galen gets the benefit of a new hat with built in ice packs every couple miles.

For normal situations, the difference between the two is probably closer to 28 seconds. And on a hilly course such as NYC or the Boston, Ward would actually have a 8-16 second advantage depending on the prevailing winds.

Majority Decision wrote:

Did Rupp underperform or did Ward outperform. I would have expected the time differential between the two of them yo have been bigger. Given that neither of them won the race, their respective times can be considered maximal effort. I don't think Rupp blew up that badly either. Is the takeaway that Rupp isn't that good after all, or is Ward better than we think he is?

Or maybe they are both good.

Yeah, if Ward had also come in 5th in the Olympic 10,000 the week before we might have an argument. As well as Rupp's pacing being less than optimal.

Rupp is a 2:05 guy. Ward 2:08+

Rupp was at his limit during the Olympic Marathon and did fairly well for himself but Ward is clearly in another league as far as racing marathons goes.

Rupp looked spent when he crossed the line but you could tell that Ward had held back and still had gas in the tank...with that big smile and bounce in his step. In a rabbited race Ward would probably put 3-5 minutes into Rupp if they were both going all out.

Jerry Maguire wrote:

lol

Only 1:25 better than Ward?

What everyone is missing is the fact that the 1:25 difference came in the last 10k.

So if Rupp was to run a marathon flat out against Ward, that 1:25 difference would GROW exponentially... probably to around 5 minutes total if not more!

But yea... good job morons.

Actually, it would grow arithmetically.

Don't use words you don't understand.

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Ujay wrote:

Jerry Maguire wrote:

lol

Only 1:25 better than Ward?

What everyone is missing is the fact that the 1:25 difference came in the last 10k.

So if Rupp was to run a marathon flat out against Ward, that 1:25 difference would GROW exponentially... probably to around 5 minutes total if not more!

But yea... good job morons.

Actually you are the moron. How stupid are you? Rupp might be 1:25 faster than Ward in a 10k. He may not be more than a couple minutes faster in a marathon. They are DIFFERENT races.

No kidding. If Rupp ran "flat out" agaisnt Ward, Ward would probably pass him at 30 km with Rupp sitting on the curb. There is a reason they run in a pack and pace eachother, the Marathon is not the 10k.

Galen Trump wrote:

Rupp was at his limit during the Olympic Marathon and did fairly well for himself but Ward is clearly in another league as far as racing marathons goes.

Rupp looked spent when he crossed the line but you could tell that Ward had held back and still had gas in the tank...with that big smile and bounce in his step. In a rabbited race Ward would probably put 3-5 minutes into Rupp if they were both going all out.

Not sure Ward would put any time into Rupp let alone 3-5 minutes but you make a good point about there post race appearence.

Ward is bound to "steal" a marathon major at some point due to poor tactics from runners who are fitter.

Rupp and Ward were about 17 seconds apart at 30k. Rupp went with the surge and put a 1:15 on Ward between 30k and 35k. At your next marathon, drop your pace by about 30 seconds a mile between mile 19 and 21 and see how you feel the last five miles.

Ward did run an excellent race, but he is another Desi Linden type runner. They run their marathon plan and hope to pick off as many of the front pack as possible the last 3-4 miles to get as close as possible to a podium.

The Phenix wrote:

Rupp is probably a lot faster than Ward, but Rupp didn't run the tangents. Ward did. I've watched the 2016 Olympic marathon twice and estimate that Rupp probably ran 26.4 or 26.5. Ward probably ran 26.3. That's a HUGE difference.

Calculations please?

"Only" - ?

By the way, Ward is darn good.

Maybe instead of his elaborate hat-shell game, Galen should have just run the tangents. Might have himself a silver medal at least.

Not running tangents is a total hobby jogger move, bro.

Technically, Rupp and Ward have 10K PRs 1:45 apart, but Ward kept things a bit tighter for all of the reasons mentioned elsewhere.

not necissarily.im not saying he cant,or wont,break 2.04,or even 2.03,but not all top 5000/10'000 runners are good at marathon or suited to it.its like saying all sprinters would make great 800 meter runners,when they wouldnt.