Bio passport Info- ALL ELITE SPRINTER CAN TAKE DESIGNER STIMULANTS

fred wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_cathinone

Please add your thoughts. I think that the "supplement" that the Jamaicans got caught with fell under this??

Do they test for any of these?

Are there any markers they can measure to try and detect a designer stimulant?

Where do these top athletes get the drugs? Through sponsors, coaches, managers, national federations? And who chooses to use them, do athletes ask to dope or is it recommended by someone else?

Wondering.. wrote:

Where do these top athletes get the drugs? Through sponsors, coaches, managers, national federations? And who chooses to use them, do athletes ask to dope or is it recommended by someone else?

I think its an understood situation. Its not like you say, I want to join this group because they have the best stuff. Although that is pretty much what happened Bolt's group got plenty of newbies. Similar to it you wanted to buy narcotics. You will know the people to speak to and how to ask.

If you are really interested you can look up the Sport Ill article from 1997 Tim Layden actually goes through the process with a chemistry student at Duke and others in Colorado and Jamaica. But this process got blown up with the BALCO .THG was the first to be made known other and designer steroids are now being detected with the bio passport.

Olympic Truth wrote:

That's all keep your negative thoughts to yourself.

Okay, that's all folks, end of ....thread/LRC.

Olympic Truth wrote:

fred wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_cathinone

Please add your thoughts. I think that the "supplement" that the Jamaicans got caught with fell under this??

Do they test for any of these?

Are there any markers they can measure to try and detect a designer stimulant?

Since stimulants have a short clearance time and cause most of their alterations in the brain if there isn't a specific test for it as with cocaine or methamphetamine it then it'd be mighty hard to detect via the newer advancements such as Biological Passport.

The ones who get undetectable drugs would figure to be in 1st world countries where there are labs to do so. But the reason that those in 3rd world countries can dope with impunity with standard drugs is that they have first world coaches who supply it to them (which first world athletes can also have) but very little if any in-country unannounced blood-testing.

Amazing some guy with extremely limited knowledge of a subjuct and google just solved the PED problem. You should send this to the IAAF along with a list of people you want banned. Thank you for cleaning up the sport.

Olympic Truth wrote:

fred wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substituted_cathinone

Please add your thoughts. I think that the "supplement" that the Jamaicans got caught with fell under this??

Do they test for any of these?

Are there any markers they can measure to try and detect a designer stimulant?

Dominique Blake Jamaica Sprinting 2006

2012 Ephedrine

Methylhexanamine 9 months

4 years and 6 months (Reduced from 6 years) [74][166]

[113][167][168][169]

Yohan Blake Jamaica Sprinting 2009 4-Methyl-2-hexanamine

A lot of sprinters nailed for this stimulant - not designer.

tyvm wrote:

Amazing some guy with extremely limited knowledge of a subjuct and google just solved the PED problem. You should send this to the IAAF along with a list of people you want banned. Thank you for cleaning up the sport.

Lol!

Extremely limited by his own admission also. That original post should have stopped after he stated be doesn't know what he is on about.

I'm very confused about the title also. It appears to be some kind of statement, factually informing the reader that ALL elite sprinters take 'designer stimulants'. However it is not followed up with any evidence of such a claim. As in, evidence of sprinters taking designer stimulants.

I've got a new title - ANYONE CAN TAKE ANY DRUG THAT IS'NT BEING TESTED FOR SO ALL ATHLETES MUST BE DOPING.

Sorry, one more thing I just couldn't let go.

What the fck is this? I do not believe for a second that you have ever written a scientific paper on anything, unless we include your recent high school chemistry homework.

That is simply illegible.

tyvm wrote:

Amazing some guy with extremely limited knowledge of a subjuct and google just solved the PED problem. You should send this to the IAAF along with a list of people you want banned. Thank you for cleaning up the sport.

I wrote a paper in Grad school, way back in 2005. Funny how the bio passport came along after that. I sent it to alot of people. IAAF WADA Lance Williams,etc etc Catlin

IT WAS NOT ME. But there was a growing knowledge that designer steroids were being made and easily beating the test. Same type of thing now with stimulants.

LIMITED KNOWLEDGE??? I have been published in journals. My bad didn't know you need a PhD. Give me about 3 more years.

The list would include almost everyone you could name.

fred wrote:

Olympic Truth wrote:

Please add your thoughts. I think that the "supplement" that the Jamaicans got caught with fell under this??

Do they test for any of these?

Are there any markers they can measure to try and detect a designer stimulant?

Dominique Blake Jamaica Sprinting 2006

2012 Ephedrine

Methylhexanamine 9 months

4 years and 6 months (Reduced from 6 years) [74][166]

[113][167][168][169]

Yohan Blake Jamaica Sprinting 2009 4-Methyl-2-hexanamine

A lot of sprinters nailed for this stimulant - not designer.

Yes I know, but how difficult would it be to create. Steroids is easy on 17 or 19. I think some of these are just as easy.

Metric Miler wrote:

tyvm wrote:

Amazing some guy with extremely limited knowledge of a subjuct and google just solved the PED problem. You should send this to the IAAF along with a list of people you want banned. Thank you for cleaning up the sport.

Lol!

Extremely limited by his own admission also. That original post should have stopped after he stated be doesn't know what he is on about.

I'm very confused about the title also. It appears to be some kind of statement, factually informing the reader that ALL elite sprinters take 'designer stimulants'. However it is not followed up with any evidence of such a claim. As in, evidence of sprinters taking designer stimulants.

I've got a new title - ANYONE CAN TAKE ANY DRUG THAT IS'NT BEING TESTED FOR SO ALL ATHLETES MUST BE DOPING.

AGAIN. YOU? Limited knowledge as to what the bio passport looks for and the chemistry involved with making a designer stimulant. Im not a chemist, and I dont work for IAAF or WADA but alot of people may have knowledge about that and can inform me.

Thats a good title. So you might get it.

OK this is a community board. so i dont pay attention to details. I have, its published. LETS BET PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

Who cares about what some 10.1 guy who ran for a sham country like you thinks?

You believe a flying zombie is God!

lol

Olympic Truth wrote:

AGAIN. YOU? Limited knowledge as to what the bio passport looks for and the chemistry involved with making a designer stimulant. Im not a chemist, and I dont work for IAAF or WADA but alot of people may have knowledge about that and can inform me.

Thats a good title. So you might get it.

So you have limited knowledge of both chemistry and bio passports. What exactly would you say you know pertaining to this subject. I would love to read your paper if you don't mind posting it.

0/10 wrote:

Olympic Truth wrote:

AGAIN. YOU? Limited knowledge as to what the bio passport looks for and the chemistry involved with making a designer stimulant. Im not a chemist, and I dont work for IAAF or WADA but alot of people may have knowledge about that and can inform me.

Thats a good title. So you might get it.

So you have limited knowledge of both chemistry and bio passports. What exactly would you say you know pertaining to this subject. I would love to read your paper if you don't mind posting it.

I should but it is old, like 2005 old and I need to re-read/re-do if I was to post. I really do not want to be found out.

Doping in Sports- its a PDF you can get for free that is decent on the general state of doping.

I know about realistic progression in track, more on anabolics based on when I started my research. How they can affect a person ability to recover, gain strength, which drugs help with only strength and aggression rather than weight. Basically how Primo and Halo work vs. Deca of Winstol. I knew about drugs like THG and How did THG came about before Lance published which is why he called me. Now not exactly THG, but the idea that there were some rejected substances which were out there. Thats from Tim Layden and his article in 1997 in SI. I connected the dots and forecasted that the Internet would lead to small countries gaining power. I said Jamaica, Mexico and Portugal. I really thought Portugal with Obikwelu getting the silver would lead. And Layden named Jamaica too.So I have limited chemistry knowledge, which is really all it takes to understand designer steroids, but now with stimulants I need to determine how easy are they to manipulate. Steroids only 17 or 19 to manipulate.

Joel Przybilla wrote:

Olympic Truth wrote:

Please add your thoughts. I think that the "supplement" that the Jamaicans got caught with fell under this??

Do they test for any of these?

Are there any markers they can measure to try and detect a designer stimulant?

Since stimulants have a short clearance time and cause most of their alterations in the brain if there isn't a specific test for it as with cocaine or methamphetamine it then it'd be mighty hard to detect via the newer advancements such as Biological Passport.

This is what I am looking for. Except what about CNS type stuff that Fred listed. A stimulant like cocaine or brain stims are not the whole picture, its something else like Halotestin, but not hormonal. You could see the track world was looking for something back in 03 when everyone got busted for Modafinil and THG.