It's over guys. Caster has won big

It's not over for the guys. In fact it's the dawn of a new era for the guys. It is over for the girls however.

It's back to cheerleading for the likes of Bishop. Maybe a porn career for Jozwik. Those guys on the podium are having a hearty laugh.

Men everywhere thank the LGBT/SJW community for putting us back on top!

It does raise a question to me. It's my understanding that the IAAF cannot verify someone's sex via examination. Now, they cannot set limits on testosterone for females.

Which begs the (serious) question, why can't a guy just say he's female and compete as such?

Does the IAAF have any way of preventing this? I don't think they do.

athletics fan89 wrote:

It will be hilarious if Semenya will lose to other intersex (maybe with even more testosterone).

You mean like when Rhonda Rousey lost to that pale dude?

I support Semenya. If intersex people dominate all women's sports, I won't really care, as the times are likely to be very slow. Also, I don't think women's sports are equal to men's.

MMA fan wrote:

athletics fan89 wrote:

It will be hilarious if Semenya will lose to other intersex (maybe with even more testosterone).

You mean like when Rhonda Rousey lost to that pale dude?

I support Semenya. If intersex people dominate all women's sports, I won't really care, as the times are likely to be very slow. Also, I don't think women's sports are equal to men's.

Semen-yeah v. Schippers in the octagon! Now!

MMA fan wrote:

I support Semenya. If intersex people dominate all women's sports, I won't really care, as the times are likely to be very slow. Also, I don't think women's sports are equal to men's.

Opposite camp here. Over the years, I've found myself caring more about women's track & field competition over men's. They just make for more interesting races and they don't dodge each other as much. The ego is different. I dunno, once I hit 30 I was bored with men's track & field.

It's not over if you all vote for TRUMP. He's not afraid to take the SJWs on

Of course it's over. The SJWs are running away with it. No way Caster gets banned. Check out the article ,that's what we're up against. Bishop, Sharp, and JJ are all villains now.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/23/caster-semenya-olympic-spirit-iaaf-athletes-women

Hoppers wrote:

Of course it's over. The SJWs are running away with it. No way Caster gets banned. Check out the article ,that's what we're up against. Bishop, Sharp, and JJ are all villains now.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/23/caster-semenya-olympic-spirit-iaaf-athletes-women

Oh no! Karzakis, the "why hyperandrogenic Chand did not win the 100m?", has become a celebrity!

Why do so many people here get worked up about what's going on with junior varsity?

Urmomsvag wrote:

Why do so many people here get worked up about what's going on with junior varsity?

I'm way more worked up with Karkazis being a professor at Stanford university and a valued sport columnist.

jimmy bobby wrote:

It does raise a question to me. It's my understanding that the IAAF cannot verify someone's sex via examination. Now, they cannot set limits on testosterone for females.

Which begs the (serious) question, why can't a guy just say he's female and compete as such?

Does the IAAF have any way of preventing this? I don't think they do.

I'm pretty sure the IAAF rule had two parts, one was you had to state that you identify as a woman for four(?) years, the second was the clearly ridiculous testosterone limit which the CAS has wisely set aside.

So the test is now just self-identification as a woman, obviously a great result for women in sport.

4 years to Tokyo, and there's gotta be at least 10,000 men around the world that can currently run quicker than 1:55. Surely a few of them will be up for it.

whatthewhatthewhat wrote:

MMA fan wrote:

I support Semenya. If intersex people dominate all women's sports, I won't really care, as the times are likely to be very slow. Also, I don't think women's sports are equal to men's.

Opposite camp here. Over the years, I've found myself caring more about women's track & field competition over men's. They just make for more interesting races and they don't dodge each other as much. The ego is different. I dunno, once I hit 30 I was bored with men's track & field.

When I hit 30 I also found myself watching a lot of women's sport. Back shots of women's high and triple jumpers seems I find particularly interesting.

This really sucks, I fear for my kids giving up becsuse of this fiasco. Seriously its all so wrong, but I just cant believe how Sharp has been victamized so bruttally for what were very inoculas comments.

I think its worse than over, unscrupulous men will be dominating in no time and frankly Castor is not good enough to keep up with the transgendered talent thats coming at her. I mean just watch her, based on her ugly form I doubt shes run even 1/2 the total lifetime miles of Sharp, maybe a 1/3. Certainly hasnt worked on economy.

jimmy bobby wrote:

Now, they cannot set limits on testosterone for females.

I think they just can't set limits for males who call themselves females.

However, females still have to adhere to the reasonable limits.

jimmy bobby wrote:

Which begs the (serious) question, why can't a guy just say he's female and compete as such?

Does the IAAF have any way of preventing this? I don't think they do.

Any guy can now say he's a female and compete in women's events.

"But Chand, who will race the 100-meter dash at the Olympics on Friday, said plenty of women don't fit neatly within that range, and that there's overlap between the sexes. Testifying on her behalf, Richard Holt, a UK-based endocrinologist, pointed to a study showing that 32 of 234 female athletes had natural testosterone levels above 2.7 nmol/L, including 11 athletes who had more than 8 nmol/L. In the study of athletes in South Korea, he added, four male athletes had testosterone levels below 3.08 nmol/L, and 198 men had testosterone below 10 nmol/L. This type of data suggests there's not necessarily a big gap between normal male and female ranges of the hormone, explained Dr. Katrina Karkazis, a bioethicist at Stanford University who also testified on Chand's behalf."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/rio-olympics-caster-semenya-how-does-testosterone-affect-athletic-performance

Why do incompetent people meddle into things they don't understand?

The average testosterone level of women is about 30 ng/dl (1 nmol/L). 230 ng/dL (8 nmol/L)+ is not normally possible. Such ladies would have to suffer from some hormonal disorder, or they use exogenous testosterone as a sort of doping. In any case, they would have to shave beards several times a week.

The average testosterone level of Caucasian men is about 550 ng/dl (19 nmol/L). 300 ng/dl (10,4 nmol/L) is the official limit of hypoandrogenicity (low testosterone).

Male testosterone levels below 3,08 nmol/L (87 ng/dL) are absolutely ridiculous. The guys would have to be castrated! And if a male athlete had testosterone levels below 10 nmol/L, he wouldn't be able to keep muscle mass. Such a dude could possibly be a chess-player or a golfer, but certainly not an athlete in the traditional sense. In my opinion, these values most likely indicate suppression caused by the chronic abuse of anabolic drugs.

Tomato il Maffioso wrote:

"This type of data suggests there's not necessarily a big gap between normal male and female ranges of the hormone, explained Dr. Katrina Karkazis, a bioethicist at Stanford University

Why do incompetent people meddle into things they don't understand?

That's like saying a woman ran a 29:17 10k, faster than 90 percent of all men,

and therefore there's not a big gap between women and men, which is hogwash.